Um, how? Why would anyone choose to do something that will get them (at least) ostracized and (at worst) stoned to death?
It’s not a rhetorical question; I really don’t follow your reasoning.
Never attribute to malice anything that can be attributed to stupidity.
– Unknown
Dewaholic, quit whining.
Who are you to say I’m not right?
I do not use the Bible to spread hate, nor do I remember quoting it; a citation is not a quote. However, if you want to go there, start at Leviticus and work your way forward.
I surmise that you will be able to twist it to say what you want as well as any hate monger. I will say that Christ preaches forgiveness, but it’s strange how many people conveniently forget the other side of the coin, which is repentance.
As for gay bashing and the word faggot, check the OP; Esprix used it first, I merely echo it. I’m not fond of how the english language has been twisted to describe homosexuals:
Faggot: A bundle of sticks used as a torch.
Queer: Peculiar, strange.
Gay: Happy, light-hearted, joyful.
Don’t bring racial issues into it; those are genetic. My best friend is black, married to a white girl, and I was best man at their wedding.
No, I don’t believe it’s genetic entirely; apparently, neither does milroyj. There may be predisposition, but why can’t we as a society provide the same kind of help that we provide alcoholics and addicts? And why can’t homosexuals accept or seek help? The first step to the cure is admission of the illness.
As for being discriminated against and treated like freaks, what do they expect by parading their sexual deviancy?
You want discrimination? as a White Male Christian, I have to be sensitive, and oh so careful around other races, cultures and religious beliefs in this age of Political Correctness, but it’s open season on me.
I don’t hate anybody, so I’m sorry to disappoint you on that score; however, may I suggest that if you don’t like being labeled, then don’t label others? And you will probably never like me until I capitulate my views in favor of yours.
Don’t hold your breath.
Why would addicts choose to shoot up? Knowing that it will get them ostracized and (at worst) dead from overdose, murder or disease? They to, are sick.
Boo-Fucking-Hoo.
Forgive me if I don’t shed a tear for your plight.
Wow! what an intelligent reply!
I don’t want your tear; we all have our burdens.
And yes, I forgive you. 
If you don’t want a tear, what was your point in belly-aching about how you’re so discriminated against?
Oh, wait a minute. It must be much harder in your day-to-day life to be a straight white christian man than it is to be a member of any other group.
Sorry, I didn’t figure that out the first time. Now it is just crystal-clear for me.
BTW, thanks for the forgiving. You know as well as I do that I wouldn’t have slept tonight without it. 
Oh darn, seems you are losing the fight here too.
Oh well, retreat and live to fight another day right?
http://www.capitolalert.com/news/capalert02_20000209.html
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him. "
Jonathan Swift
GO ! shoo shoo, go back in!
(holding closet door open)
See Im polite I hold the door open for em
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him. "
Jonathan Swift
Oh well. I’ve had my say; there are those that agree, and those that disagree. Dontcha just love the first amendment?
Regardless of any of our beliefs, I guess we all find out for sure soon enough, Huh?
I do like the hyperlink though!
Oh, he doesn’t use the Bible, he just points to where in the Bible he (wrongly) thinks his (false) position is supported. What a loser, doesn’t even have the courage of his convictions to stand up and say what he really believes. Wussy bastard.
Of course, what the Bible does or does not say is completely fucking irrelevant to anything that has to do with civil rights. If only those who invoke the Bible (or those like Diamond who are too much of a wuss to actually invoke it as opposed to feyly gesturing at it from a distance) could figure that out.
Way to take responsibility for yourself again, wuss.
Homsexuality is not an illness. The professional opinion of every reputable mental health association as well as the personal experiences of millions of gay people are testament to that.
Were it not for pricks like you, there would be no need for any minority to asert their rights, because minorities would not be targets for discrimination and bigotry. Were it not for asshole shit-for-brain idiot whoresons like yourself who blather away endlessly about “sexual deviancy” and “special rights” and how incredibly fucking hard it is to be a member of the most privileged class on the face of the fucking earth, you’d pretty much never hear a word out of any of us. But as long as you and your slack-jawed monkeyfucker ilk insist on denying me and mine the same basic human and civil rights you take for granted, we will be in your wussy little face every fucking day of your fucking life. Want us to shut up and go away? Extend to us the full rights of citizenship in this country and we’d be happy to.
Have a nice day, fuckwad.
Ah, good. Just so’s I’m not bending any rules…
What’s the matter, your scroll finger sore? Poor baby - c’mere and I’ll massage it for ya…
It looks like a job for someone with some influence, but I intend to keep doing my part as well. If Clinton had said from the beginning, “Generals, like it or not, from this day forward gay men and lesbians will serve in our armed forces without prejudice,” IMHO that would have been the right thing to do; instead, he weasled out and let Congress do it. No, this doesn’t address the OP topic of SSM, but it does address the question of someone doing something right to make change rather than wait for the winds of popularity to blow in its favor. Using that excuse, I guess Little Rock, Mississippi and the like would still be segregated - after all, that was hardly the popular opinion of the time, and met with great resistance.
Well, duh, relationships are hard. The government denies benefits given to opposite-sex couples to same-sex couples. Why make relationships even harder? Oh, and you mis-read me - I can have my par-tay, I just can’t get the state to recognize that I had it. And I again say it is NOT “harder for [StarvinMarvin] to get health care from his company” than his same-sex co-workers - when he and his fiancee get married, they get their benefits right away, whereas a same-sex couple that decides to start their life together forever that same day still has to wait whatever prescribed time the company has set up before they will recognize their union as “legitimate.” Hmmm, smells like discrimination to me…
Mea culpa. Want me to suck on your scroll finger, too?
I’ll stick to the American Medical Association’s thoughts on the matter, not your church’s.
Which part of “liberty and justice for all” don’t you understand?
So how do you explain homosexuality in the animal kingdom among higher primates? Is that a choice on their part?
I was under the impression that the government was separate from religion in this country? (Obviously not always in practice, but this is kind of supposed to be the idea…) So your “Word” really ought to have no bearing on who gets my estate when I die, who visits me in the hospital, and who shares my health insurance, eh?
That’s a keeper!
Yes, actually, I do want the liabilities. When my lover gets hit by a bus, I want to be next to him in the hospital; when he dies, I want to be the one to fulfill his wishes; when we move in together, I want that mortgage in both our names; when things go bad, I want half his stuff. 
“For better or worse” means something to anyone who wants to make a life-long commitment.
Yes, please, Diamond - I’d love to hear your response to this. Did you marry within the twelve tribes of Isreal, as the Bible clearly instructs you to do?
Hey, you know what? You may very well be. But that is not an argument useful in maintaining law in this country. Religious intolerance should not equal societal discrimination.
Then make sure your wife or girlfriend or whomever it is you’re seeing sacrifices those two doves to the high priest when she has her period. That’s in there, too, in case you hadn’t read it…
First of all, I don’t worship your Christ, so you can forgive all you want, but I’m not going to repent to your god. Second, Christ also taught tolerance, love, peace and understanding - he never said a word on marriage of any kind. Third, we’re still talking about the laws governing the United States of America, not the laws governing your church.
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There may be predisposition, but why can’t we as a society provide the same
Originally posted by Otto:
Were it not for pricks like you, there would be no need for any minority to asert their rights, because minorities would not be targets for discrimination and bigotry. Were it not for asshole shit-for-brain idiot whoresons like yourself who blather away endlessly about “sexual deviancy” and “special rights” and how incredibly fucking hard it is to be a member of the most privileged class on the face of the fucking earth, you’d pretty much never hear a word out of any of us. But as long as you and your slack-jawed monkeyfucker ilk insist on denying me and mine the same basic human and civil rights you take for granted, we will be in your wussy little face every fucking day of your fucking life. Want us to shut up and go away? Extend to us the full rights of citizenship in this country and we’d be happy to.
Way to go, Otto; you got me there, pal! When you can’t argue coherently any more, resort to sewer mouthed invectives! Works everytime. :rolleyes:
Would you please stick with one name?
My Opinion, FWIW…you got a second username to spout your bigotry–and stuck with Vestal Blue for topics over in GQ and MPSIMS.
Anyone confused?
check out the “Comet Names…Quick! Help me look good!” thread in GQ. (sorry no hyperlink)
Diamond-
accept my aplogies as that comment you highlighted above wasnt for you, but for our UNFUCKING BELIEVABLY long winded MILITANT HOMO friend Esprix.
By all means Diamnond, I like you and didnt mean to offend, I consider you an excellent poster.
Esprix… hes another story
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him. "
Jonathan Swift
Otto est Esprix, et Esprix est Otto.
MORE MULTIPLE PERSONALITY POSTERS.
Sad aint it?
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him. "
Jonathan Swift
'Sprix, you’re not anywhere close to any kind of award for that weak “rant” in the OP.
We’ll start with Dewaholic today.
He’s a registered member of the SDMB, and it is his right to speak his piece. What qualifies the expression of his opinion as sanctimonious, while the expression of your’s is not? I’ll give you a hint: his is the opinion commonly identified with white male Christians.
Yes, I do. Let’s not go down this road again, nobody here is changing anybody’s mind on this topic. But CatInHat sez:
You got me. There’s not going to be any kind of “reasoning” behind this. It’s like asking “why does a man go off to war for his country,” or, on a smaller scale, “why does a certain person prefer a certain type of music?” Certainly, there are social and parental factors involved, as well as probably some inborn disposition. But I don’t think that anyone’s willing to say that homosexuality is entirely caused by “nature,” without any influence by “nurture.” This suggests that it is in a way a social condition, and it follows therefore that it is a choice that can be made of one’s own free will.
I’m not even getting into the reverse racism debate…that’s a whole other thread. It exists. It makes it harder for white males to get into colleges and get jobs. It allows for a society in which white males can be openly mocked in the media, and if they happen to retort, they can be labeled “bigots.” If you are the type to say “Boo-fucking-hoo” to that, then go ahead, but don’t simultaneously preach that you are all-accepting an open-minded. Reverse discrimination is not just prejudice, but hypocrisy in its purest form. And that’s all I’m saying about that.
Otto, man (Simpson’s reference):
I respectfully disagree. From the advent of Christianity until the last century, everybody who wrote about, pondered, or otherwise considered civil rights based their entire theories on the Bible. This includes the European philosphers from the Age of Enlightenment, as well as their colonial counterparts (our “forefathers”). Indeed, the writers of our Constitution and the other documents of its ilk, which form the basis of our idea of “civil rights” today, grounded their writings and ideas in the Bible. Anyone who disregards the Good Book’s influence on “civil rights” is just, well, ignorant.
Hey, you can go ahead and say stuff like this. It’s the Pit, and I have no problem with it. I didn’t interpret it as a racist remark, although I probably could have. However, if you’re going to spout shit like that, don’t pretend to be taking the high road here.
Esprix: nice to see that you heeded my advice.
Yeah, like what? Honestly, now. Don’t lie to me, 'Sprix.
Further, comparing the integration of the armed forces to SSMs is really pointless. Yes, they both involved gay rights. But that’s where the similarity ends. The same is true for comparing it to the integration of schools in Arkansas and around the South.
Well, your comprehension of the business world astounds me. See, when the white male business owners (which, as we all know, are thouroughly and without exception prejudiced towards every group of people that is not white male Christians) came up with their master plan to keep things like homosexuality out of the mainstream, they certainly didn’t count on someone as smart as you figuring it out. Then again, it could be that they’re trying to avoid getting screwed, or milked out of their money by con artists. But, no, the discrimination thing makes much more sense.
Every study that I have encountered that showed blatant and recurring homosexual behavior occuring amoung primates was run under “isolation” conditions. The primates were isolated with their own gender, and watched until their libidos finally drove them to hump each other. It rarely, rarely occurs when other members of the species with parts compatible with their own are present. So, no, it’s not a “choice,” on their part, but it’s not a “lifestyle” either. Participating in isolated homoerotic behaviors, as primates and other animals sometimes do, and choosing to live your entire life in that manner are two entirely diffent things. Make the distinction.
History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it. -Winston Churchill
I need to flame my own minor-league investigative work.
::Yelling at self:: HOW ABOUT YOU FUCKING GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE OPENING YOUR MOUTH?
OK. I must retract my “My Opinion, FWIW…you got a second username to spout your bigotry–and stuck with Vestal Blue for topics over in GQ and MPSIMS.” statement. After checking, I see that Diamond has been all over MPSIMS and GQ.
The whole thing is still a bit curious, though.
Rousseau has stated my position more eloquently than I ever could, while attempting to do so under extreme emotion.
Now, having said that, let me say that I abhor the homosexual lifestyle, and always will. Why?
Sigh.
I just finished a conversation with another Doper, and will come clean here, as well.
Please understand that this is painful for me. When I was a child I was molested by a self-acknowledged homosexual teenager; I didn’t know how to defend myself, nor how to tell an adult, much less my parents. This is something I have never told anyone before, ever, including my wife of 17 years.
The ONLY reason I’m saying it here is that I have exacerbated open wounds and pain; if I have hurt another here, I am sorry. It was very wrong, and un-Christian of me. If you can forgive me, fine; if you can’t, I accept that also.
I guess that’s it. Damn.
VB
I could never eat a mouse raw…their little feet are probably real cold going down. :rolleyes:
That’s the whole point. It took two attempts to get it through the National Assembly. They would never have got it through at all if it had been a straightforward “gay marriage” bill.
But the longest journey starts with a single step …
Thanks! Seems to point up that it’s a choice, hmmm?
I’m sensing a serious case of cognitive dissonance here, in other words, what the hell are you talking about? How does my statement that there have been homosexual people throughout history lead to your “conclusion” that it must be a choice?
BTW, you’re a dipshit.