What the hell, are we the Capulets or something??

Ok.

Y’all know I’m madly in love with Gunslinger. Y’all know I went to his house last weekend, or at least you do if you read the thread. So I have this wonderful boyfriend that I want to spend as much time with as possible, and that’s not very much given we live about 430 miles apart.

My sister also has a boyfriend, but she refuses to admit that they’re anything more than friends, despite the fact that everybody knows they’re sleeping together, and he has asked her to move from Mississippi to Virginia with him. Part of the reason she may be refusing to admit he’s her significant other is that she is still going through divorce proceedings to separate from her abusive husband of five years.

I told my sister about my plans to visit Gun back in early August, and she advised against it on the grounds that our mother would kill me for it. So I told my mother about it a week before I left - right after I bought the ticket - and she was actually OK with it. She herself said that she wouldn’t tell my father, because he would get too upset.

So I went to his house, realized immediately that I really am madly in love with him, got him to fall madly in love with me, and agreed to marry him. (I haven’t told anybody in my family about our engagement yet, because it would just cause more problems.)

My sister wanted full details, so I sent her and my mother both the Disney version of what we did, a snapshot of the two of us together, and a request for permission to spend Thanksgiving with him. (I’ll go to Texas for Turkey Day whether I have their permission or not, but I figure it’s always better to have the permission.)

NOW, my sister is all pissed at me. “Screw you too!” she said in an email yesterday. “If you’re not going to visit me for the holidays, I’ll just fucking move to Virginia!”

Dad is all pissed at me too, having intercepted my mother’s email and discovered what I did. “You can’t fucking tell your father the truth?” he reportedly said. Mom says he’s pissed both because I went to Texas and because she and my sister didn’t tell him about it.

Mom is pissed at me because Dad’s pissed off and taking it out on her, so she says I can’t go see Gun anymore if I can’t act like an adult.
So there’s what’s going on in my life right now.


To the members of my family,

FUCK YOU ALL!

Big Sis: Don’t be laying a goddamn guilt trip on me because I’m just starting a good relationship and you’re just ending a bad one. Don’t be using me as an excuse to do what you want - if you want to move to fucking Virginia, DO IT, and admit that you’re doing it to be with your BOYFRIEND. Don’t be blaming it on ME and then saying it’s all my fault when you two break up because I forced you to move to the beach. And don’t get pissed at me for not taking your advice; I’m a fucking ADULT now, in case you didn’t realize.

Dad: You have a legitimate reason to be upset with me - after all, I went to Texas without telling you - but Christ, man, I’d been telling you all that I planned to do it for MONTHS now!!! He was going to come stay at our house back in MAY, for Christ’s sake, and it would’ve been ok for me to meet him then, but it isn’t now? Anyway, I’m living IN COLLEGE now, where EVERYBODY’s a stranger, so it’s not like I took that big of a risk to meet someone I’ve known for eight months. Fuck you. And if you want to get pissed because nobody else told you, then GET PISSED AT THEM. I’m not the one who made the decision not to tell you! When I called home, Mom just happened to answer the phone, and SHE decided not to tell you. Piss off or suck tailpipe.

Mom: So, Dad’s pissed at you, and you’re taking it out on me, and I’m the one who’s not acting like an adult? That is so typical of you. I’m surprised you didn’t say “I’m amazed he likes you, because you’re a fat, lazy bitch.” You said things like that all the time when I lived at home, and it was always my fault because I’m immature. And just for the record, I hope you realize that there isn’t really anything you can do to keep me from visiting Gun anyway. I have my own money that I earned with my own hands and keep in my own bank account, and I don’t live with you or answer to you any more. I only told you about this first time because I wanted to try being a Good Daughter for once… and also because I was so happy to be in love that I wanted to tell the whole damn world. If you’re going to treat me like a Bad Daughter, then I’m going to act like a Bad Daughter, and I won’t bother telling you about anything I do from now on if that’s how it has to be.
I would’ve thrown in some of my more colorful insults, but really, I’m just disgusted by this whole deal. I wish I could wash my hands of the whole thing.

I wonder what they’d do if I told them I was engaged.

I bet I could get them all to simultaneously spontaneously combust if I told them we’d eloped.

That might be fun.

See if you can get your sister to blow up too so that you don’t have to share your parents’ stuff. (winkie)

You can’t even tell these cracker assholes you are ENGAGED? To a respectable college student with no liens on his heart nor encumbrances like your sister’s? Who the fuck are these people, the Capulets? Oh, so you 've already MADE that comparison? :wink:

You are an adult and can, within reason, do what you want. Whatever you do they’ll either get over or you have my permission to tell them to fuck off.

Try telling them that, not only are you engaged, but you’re going to have an online wedding with the bride, groom, and minister all in different states…

Not to put a damper on the wedding excitement, but it does occur to me that if you are not mature enough to be honest about your travel plans, you may not be mature enough for a marriage. Being an adult means taking responsiblity for your actions, not sneaking around behind your dad’s back.

This also has me concerned.

I know you’re excited about a wonderful relationship, but marriage is an awfully big step to take with someone that, 8 months of Internet chat and a few visits, you still need time to know. It’s good to be happy, but be cautious, too.

Not telling your family about the engagement isn’t the most mature tack to take. You have to be a grown-up and take the problems as they come. Married life will present you with more problems, and more joy, than you can imagine right now.I can tell you from experience that not telling your family until after the event will hurt them deeply.

gobear, your concerns are entirely legitimate. That’s why we’re not actually getting married for at least a couple years. Engagement is a big step, but marriage is even bigger… so we’re taking it a step at a time.

You know, kid, talking like that might get people thinking that gay marriage is not such a dumb idea after all. :slight_smile:

OK…dad of a daughter (she’s not quite seven, but I’ll project to 18 if you don’t mind)…

Are you nuts? Do you know this guy? And the internet doesn’t count because he can’t get his hands on you if he gets pissed off. He gets time to think about being charming. Chat and/or a couple of weekends is a lot different than spending some real time together.

Note: This isn’t to disparage Gunslinger, this is to give you an idea of what’s in your dad’s head.

Another little bit–my brother, while in his mid-20s, met a woman visiting from another country. After several months of email and incredible long distance bills, he went up for a weekend with a ring in his pocket. Mind you, the grand total of physical time spent together was about nine days before he popped the question. He is now, three years and one accidental child later, the most miserable SOB on this great, green planet.

My advice as an old fart of 32? Figure out a way to spend that year in each other’s physical company. Find out if it will work in real life, because this internet thingy’s too easy to fake it on.

Just my opinion, I could be wrong.

Good thing you have a couple years to work on this. At no point did you offer to kill the bastard. :wink:

racinchikki, i haven’t been around much lately so i don’t know where in texas you are (or rather, where in texas he is), but if you are near houston, you’re invited to make it a double elopement. i’m definitely tired of dealing with my parents and how “irresponsible” i am to be getting married. it is not worth having a nice wedding to have it ruined by family.

FWIW, I realized I was an adult when I realized I didn’t need my parents’ permission anymore. I occasionally ask for their blessing, but I don’t need their permission.

Robin

Are you my sister?
We must be because this sounds EXACTLY like my mother… perhaps they are clones.

Congratulations on your engagement, honey.

I know both of you well enough to be thrilled, excited, happy and confident that you know what you are doing. I agree that a long engagement is a good idea given the distance between you, and it doesn’t surprise me one bit that you are mature enough to have seen that for yourself.

Your parents love you, and I understand their concerns. Your sister sounds like…well, never mind that. Just calm down hon, and live your love with dignity…your parents will come around when some time has passed and they see that you KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING! Also, after they meet Gunnie and realize what a wonderful guy he is.

If they don’t, then you need to take what MsRobyn said to heart. You don’t need their permission, but in time I hope you will gain their blessing.

Much Love,

Cheri

Yikes on the “permission” idea. Are you an adult of consenting age? Then (as far as I’m concerned, anyway) you don’t “owe” anyone your presence at holidays. If you still live at home, this could be tricky, though.

My suggestion: If you live at home, move out ASAP. If you don’t live at home and are an independent adult (paying your own way though life), stop asking permission and start telling it the way it is. Your decisions (good, bad or indifferent) are YOURs to make, not anyone elses. You’ll never earn their respect if you sneak around. Own your decisions and face the troubles they present head on with no lying or bullshit and let the chips fall where they may.

Zette