What's up with Job's Daughters?

[Johnny_L.A]

@madcossack

PS. We’re still not letting my stepson play with the guns. That wasn’t really the point of this discussion, but I appreciate everyone’s feedback. It just doesn’t sit well with us, and knowing my son and his friends like I do, we don’t think they will be responsible enough to always use protective gear and have a parent supervise.

Fair enough.

@madcossack

I like the model rocket idea. We have done that a few times, and he loved it, so I brought that up with him as something we could do this summer again. Also, I am very heavily into building model airplanes, and he is starting to get interested in that. Very fun for us to do that stuff together.

What about sailing and surfing? Also (I’ve just thought of these): JetSkiing and flying. My sister and family go out in the bay with the JetSkis, and they have a blast. I took my kayak down to San Diego last time I went, and that was fun too.

As for flying, you can get an introductory lesson for $49. There are 18 schools participating in the programme in San Diego. Flying was a very important part of the relationship my dad and I had. I logged my first hours out of Montgomery Field.

[ShibbOleth]

@js_africanus

Regardless, what you’re observing is not a sign of exclusion; the girls recruit from the people they want to join and you’re probably seeing self-selection bias rather than racial or ethnic discrimination. Here’s your chance to get involved and make a change.

Their website discusses that one needs to be related, in some fashion, to a Master Mason. This sets a pretty high barrier for a diverse membership. That would cause me some consternation as well. I’m not fond of organizations one needs to be born into.

[Johnny_L.A]

I forgot your son is only 13. A few years short of being able to solo. But if dad were to fly…

The Civil Air Patrol offers Cadet programmes, aerospace education, etc. It’s the USAF Auxiliary. Based on what you’ve posted, you may not like the quasi-military aspects of it. Still, the Cadet Programme is basically an alternative to the Boy Scouts. Aerospace education often includes model rocketry and other hobbies (depending on the local squardon), glider training, etc. Cadets are often used to help out at air shows, and they can participate in some actual search and rescue operations. The CAP awards around $200,000 in college scholarships every year. Okay, so the marching and discipline may not be much fun, and I’ve seen some cadets struggle in the physical fitness routines; but I think CAP is a decent starting point for anyone thinking about a career in aerospace or engineering.

I don’t know if your son (or daughter) is interested in that sort of thing, but at least it doesn’t involve shooting toy guns at one another. And although a career in the Air Force may hold no interest whatsoever, it’s a good programme for learning a bit about aerospace science.

Johnny L.A.
Former aerospace worker and former CAP 2LT and Cadet Leader

[LouisB]

@ShibbOleth

Their website discusses that one needs to be related, in some fashion, to a Master Mason. This sets a pretty high barrier for a diverse membership. That would cause me some consternation as well. I’m not fond of organizations one needs to be born into.

To the contrary, the Masonic Fraternity is diverse. We have members all over the world, plenty of whom are not WASPS.

[John_Carter_of_Mars]

Sounds like a “Well Done” is deserved by all parties.

[Alias]

@SanibelMan

I’m no Biblical scholar, and when I first read this thread, I confused Job with Lot. Hilarity ensued and what not.

Same here! I was semi-horrified when I saw the title of the thread, and thought that it was some horrible, immoral, incestuous group. Sorry. I was wrong. Carry on.
:smack:

[emilya21]

I realize you and your family have talked things through, I just wanted you to know a little more about Jobs Daughters…
I joined “Jobies” as we like to call it, when i was 10 and stayed in it until I was 20, I know that without this group, I would not be the young woman I am today. It truly is an amazing organization and I would consider yourself lucky to have your step daughter interested in it. All that will come from it is, great values, morals, life long friendships, and teach her skills that she couldn’t learn on her own.

As far as the white robes go; we wear those to show that we are all equal (all girls involved in the ritual wear them) that is also the reason we don’t wear jewelry with them.

In my Bethel we had many girls of different ethnicities and religions. The only thing we had in common was the relation to a Master Mason… Also, when tracking down a relative, you can go back as far as you’d like… almost everyone is bound to be related to one somewhere down the line (like it or not).

• I also believe that they changed the requirments a few years back, and if you’re a young woman who is interested in joining Jobs Daughters and you DO NOT have a related Master Mason, you can be… I guess you could say ‘sponsored’ by a current Master Mason and that will allow you to join Jobs Daughters WITHOUT a direct relation (pretty cool, huh?)

I guess you could say it’s a little old fashioned, but I enjoyed it very much and I wouldn’t EVER tell a young woman to stay away from it…

If you’d like more info from a reputable source, i’ve found some very good information posted on Wikipedia:

The organization was founded as The Order of Job’s Daughters by Ethel T. Wead Mick in Omaha, Nebraska, on October 20, 1920.
The original age for membership was 13-18, but has been changed several times over the years, most recently to age 10-20 in 2004.
The purpose of the organization is to band together young girls who are related to a Master Mason, and strives to build character through moral and spiritual development. Goals include a greater reverence for God and the Holy Scriptures, as stated in the Job’s Daughters Constitution, loyalty to one’s country and that country’s flag; and respect for parents, guardians, and elders. Job’s Daughters is not a religion or a creed, and its members are not required to practice a particular religion. Members are required, however, to believe in a supreme being. Job’s Daughters is not a secret society.
“Mother Mick” was fond of the Book of Job, and took the name of the organization as a reference to the three daughters of Job. The Book of Job, 42nd chapter, 15th verse says, “In all the land were no women found so fair as the Daughters of Job, and their father gave them inheritance among their brethren”. She founded the Order with the assistance of her husband, Dr. William H. Mick, and several Freemasons and members of Eastern Star of Nebraska. She dedicated the organization to the memory of her mother, Elizabeth D. Wead.
In 1931 the name was changed to the International Order of Job’s Daughters after a Bethel was instituted in Vancouver, British Columbia.

I hope this helps you feel more comfortable with your decicion, and if not, I can guarentee that the adults of her Bethel would LOVE some more parental help

[MsRobyn]

Do the Job’s Daughters even let zombies join?

[TriPolar]

@MsRobyn

Do the Job’s Daughters even let zombies join?

Sounds like it was a requirement.

[Thudlow_Boink]

@SanibelMan

I’m no Biblical scholar, and when I first read this thread, I confused Job with Lot. Hilarity ensued and what not.

I have to admit, that thought briefly crossed my mind, but my main thought was: Didn’t Job’s daughters and sons all die? Is “Job’s Daughters” some sort of suicide cult? :eek:
[QUOTE=Job 1:18-19]
While he was still speaking, yet another messenger came and said, “Your sons and daughters were feasting and drinking wine at the oldest brother’s house, when suddenly a mighty wind swept in from the desert and struck the four corners of the house. It collapsed on them and they are dead, and I am the only one who has escaped to tell you! ”
[/QUOTE]

[Lasciel]

Originally Posted by Job 1:18-19
While he was still speaking, yet another messenger came and said, “Your sons and daughters were feasting and drinking wine at the oldest brother’s house, when suddenly a mighty wind swept in from the desert and struck the four corners of the house. It collapsed on them and they are dead, and I am the only one who has escaped to tell you! ”

S’okay - he got replacements, so there’s no worries there. :rolleyes:

42:12 So the LORD blessed the latter end of Job more than his beginning: for he had fourteen thousand sheep, and six thousand camels, and a thousand yoke of oxen, and a thousand she asses. 42:13 He had also seven sons and three daughters.

You know - you gotta list the important shit first and all.

[johnpost]

zombie or no

daughter would be 23 and kicked out 3 years ago.

[scout1222]

Heh, this thread is so old I forgot I blabbed so much throughout it. It was a walk down memory lane - hey, I said that?!?

[Crab_Rangoon]

I really hate it when this happens. (me getting sucked in only to find out it was from SEVEN years ago - that’s right, capital seven)

[Teacake]

@emilya21

I joined “Jobies” as we like to call it, when i was 10 and stayed in it until I was 20,
<snip>
The original age for membership was 13-18, but has been changed several times over the years, most recently to age 10-20 in 2004.

I would personally join any organisation that could have this effect on time.

[Shade]

And apparently madcossak isn’t really around on the boards any more, so we’ll never know if it turned out as well as it sounded. Oh well

[special-k]

First I wanted to reply about the issue on Jobs Daughters. I read a note that Scout1222 had posted saying that the organization was dying out, this individual is wrong, it is alive and doing very well. I also wanted to note that the same person said they did not believe in God and they enjoyed the social aspects of JOBIES, well first off, you cannot belong to Jobs daughters, rainbow girls, Eastern Star or any other organization that the Masons sponsor unless you believe in a supreme being. So if you Scout1222 dont believe in God then you must have lied when you took your obligation.

Now as far as a young girl being a member of any of the organizations noted above it is for many purposes, it helps build self esteem and awareness, it helps girls from the ages of 11 - 21 learn how to help their community, it(within reason) to experience well balanced organizations. If the parents dont know anything about them then they need to research, ask questions and maybe participate a bit to see how it really is. I dont think a step parent has the right to take a child out of an organization the child has been in for a while just because they are “afraid” of what is different.

I am an adult, I am a member of the Eastern Star, my husband is a Mason, Shriner and Royal Arch, our children and grandchildren have been exposed and enjoy all the activities. We are always thinking of ways to raise money to help our charities (Children’s Shrine Hospital, Cancer Society, Alzheimer & Diabetes to name a few. My family line has always been involved with with Masons and its affiliations. Just to give a little insight.

Thank you

[Nawth_Chucka]

I’m so glad someone has finally had the courage to stand up and defend Christian religious societies which inculcate children at the most impressionable and vulnerable age for their own good! It’s always seemed to me like there’s been a kind of *conspiracy *to keep these organizations oppressed. Special-k’s post was very illuminating and powerful, like it was cut from Stone.

[Count_Blucher]

@Nawth_Chucka

like it was cut from Stone.

Which, given the near TEN YEARS since the OP was originally posted, might make sense.
(Well, except for the fact that it only took EIGHT for Doane Robinson to finish Mt Rushmore. :smack: )

Hey, I’m just glad someone took the time to become a member of the community and post a lot before performing Necromancy on dead threads.

[Antinor01]

@special-k

First I wanted to reply about the issue on Jobs Daughters. I read a note that Scout1222 had posted saying that the organization was dying out, this individual is wrong, it is alive and doing very well.

Thank you

Have they had in increase in membership? According to them, membership went from 140,000 in the 60’s down to under 20,000 in 1995, and around 10,000 now. A 50% decrease in less than 10 years isn’t really a sign of ‘doing well’.