Nazis beating up peaceful protestors are mobs. “Sovereign citizens” terrorizing federal agents with firearms and taking over government property because they don’t want to pay their legally owed fees and taxes are mobs.
Let me ask a more general question:
Even outside politics my experience has always been that accusers assume others have the same sins they have. When A accuses B of cheating or stealing or lying or lusting after A’s womenfolk, it’s often the case that A is a cheater or thief or liar or luster, respectively. Do others’ experiences agree with this? The tendency is so common that I’m sure it has names. (“It takes one to know one.”?)
One certainly sees this with today’s GOP. To see into their hearts just listen to the lies they prattle about their opponents … but realize they’re revealing themselves.
Projection, or False Consensus Bias would be the names I’d use. It does seem to be prevalent among today’s Republicans.
Actually 98 to 1, since that’s 49 killed and 49 wounded v. 1 wounded.
But goddamn, one shouldn’t need to keep a tally of this sort of horror; it should be plainly obvious which side is more violent and dangerous.
Our regret at your departure will be so immeasurable that nobody will bother to measure it.
Given that the C’ville Nazis committed multiple acts of assault (and one of murder) as they roamed through the town, they’d sure seem to qualify.
You can win this debate in your head by simply defining away the stuff that you don’t want to acknowledge, for whatever good that does you.
Oh, “liberal” isn’t the tune that particular dogwhistle plays…
It’s actually worth clicking through for the amusement value. Some for-instances:
There are instances of threats or someone being punched or shoved or a brick being thrown through a window, but this list is dense with junk like the ones above.
There’s a ton of ones way back that are just stolen yard signs.
Stolen by MS-13? No.
This may be slightly off topic (but what the hell, it’s my topic), but Trump’s words are making it easier for rulers elsewhere in the world to justify killing people they don’t like.
So, we’re Making the Whole World Great Again?
Trump is so nutty that it skews the comparisons. I think that there are factions and lone nuts that are loosely affiliated with each side of the spectrum. I think political violence, in general, is bad.
Which is worse? I think neo Nazis are clearly dangerous and are rightfully revolting to most. I think violence that is less severe but obfuscated by slightly more nobler sound bites is more dangerous in the long run even if the body count at the moment is lower.
Tanzania’s government urges citizens to turn in names of gay people.
I don’t know but would not be surprised to learn that U.S. evangelical elements had a hand in this. I believe they have pushed similar things in Uganda.
Cite.
How so?
Cite for an opinion?
Well, it’s my opinion that violence in the name of something noble sounding is more readily acceptable to a larger audience. Genocide because of racial supremacist ideology strikes most people as bad. Violence because free speech is hate speech doesn’t come across as dangerous as it actually is.
Well, at the very least, you could cite the alleged obfuscation. What relatively less violent leftist actions do you think have been ignored or downplayed?
You can think whatever you want. Doesn’t make it relevant.
Right, but Trump is the reason we’re having these comparisons. His speech has, purposely or not, emboldened racists, white nationalists, and other right wing groups. We didn’t have these conversations during the Bush or Obama administrations because they weren’t so obviously pandering to right-wing or left-wing extremists.
So, I’m going to have to disappoint you and say that, no, Trump shouldn’t be excluded from these comparisons.
It’s OK to say that, right now, it’s the Republican party that has more mobs. I would guess that, in the 1960s, between the Southern Racist Democrats and the Northern Civil Rights Democrats, it was fair to say that the Democratic Party had more. Back then, I imagine the Republicans sat around in their mansions and the banks they owned and clucked their tongues at all the unpleasantness.
If I’m parsing this correctly, you are trying to say that slugging a Nazi for killing a black person is worse than the Nazi actually killing a black person because it’s morally ambiguous and some people might approve of it?
If it were just a few of the type of issues you cite, this really wouldn’t be an issue. But rampant. Grabbing someone’s hat may not seem like a big deal, but the retaliation it would rightly merit can escalate quickly. And the sheer number combined with the more serious ones makes this something that shouldn’t be hand waved away. Look at the crowds outside the rallies leading up to the election. And here are two more recent examples of behavior that has no place in civilized society:
Bullying shithead white liberal accosting smaller black guy.
Excellent. Now, please cite instances where the Democratic Party or high-level Democratic politicians encourage this, support the antifa, and so on. Otherwise, these examples are purest bullshit – the question isn’t whether there are leftist troublemakers; it’s which party is encouraging their fringes.
Repeat after me: The Democratic party does not support antifa.
Please read the title of the thread before responding. Otherwise, you’re just being a knee-jerk, disingenuous asshole.