This is where we are. Right here. Hate, prejudice, and discrimination is a political belief.
NM, going to redo the whole thing
If those beliefs remain unexpressed no one will ever know you hold them. If you are spouting off hateful rhetoric at work you deserve to be fired. Especially if those beliefs involving thinking that people of other races ( some of who may be your coworkers ) are less than human and should be exterminated.
Most isn’t all, and I think if a black or Jewish person is forced to work side by side with someone that thinks they should be exterminated, that person would have a legitimate complaint about achostile work environment. I think these people ( the racists, that is) deserve to be unemployed and living in a MAGAvan down by the river.
Anyway, aren’t you the guy that thinks giving bitter and anti-social young men a life-sized sex toy to abuse will somehow help them learn to relate to women and develop a healthy relationship? Frankly, I’m not sure your thought processes are working properly.
Wait…this dude is the Incel Whisperer? Yeah, nm on all future interactions.
The crust. The crust on their pizza is the only thing that’s both defensible and laudable. Her hiring practices are questionable, but she knows the secret to making good pizza crust. You might even say it’s the bomb…
Is the Democratic Socialist telling his employer he is going to burn in hell for his money-grubbing ways, or he thinks the employer is subhuman, or is he wearing a t-shirt showing capitalists being lynched or up against a firing squad of the proletariat?
That reminds me of the employee I managed who elected to put up a picture of then-President Obama with a crosshair image superimposed on his head. When I told him to take it down—not because of disagreement with his political beliefs but because it is against the law to threaten the president and we were a government contractor which frequently had visiting government civilian and military personnel, and also had just had a corporate brieifing on workplace harassment and violence which specifically mentioned not allowing violence imagery or discussions in the office—he went around me to the site manager and complained that I was “repressing his rights as a soverign citizen” (no shit). The ‘compromise’ that the site manager came with was that the picture could remain up as long as it was not “in plain sight”, e.g. not visible from outside his cubical. I was tempted to make a larger issue of it with human resources but given what happened later (when he threatened another employee, which I reported up the chain per policy and was repremanded for “managerial misconduct” for not somehow having prevented this nutsack from spiraling out of control while I was on travel for weeks on end due to being grossly understaffed and regardless of the fact that I had been warning the site manager that this guy was causing problems and disappearing for hours) it was probably wise I did not.
Extreme politics is not a protected class, nor should it be. Do you believe the federal government should be violently overthrown or electrd officials should be assassinated? Be a smart radical and go buy a shipping container and airlift it to a remote plot of land in Idaho with the rest of the survivalist fucknuts. Don’t bring it into my workplace.
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Plus, if he’s saying these things to his co-workers and his boss, he’s probably saying them to customers, too. If I order a pizza, and the deliveryman starts spouting off Nazi rhetoric at me, I’m not going to order from that place again.
Well, I certainly wouldn’t tip in anything but shekels, anyway.
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Preach!
This woman is not a decent person. She isn’t a hero. She’s either an amoral capitalist or she’s a spineless coward. Those are not decent qualities.
What if the employee is nothing but courteous and polite to customers and employees while he is on the clock, and only expresses his hatred off the clock?
If I’m an employer, I’m not keeping a guy on payroll if he’s routinely making his bigotry known to others. Doesn’t matter if he does it on or off the clock, because anyone he’s interacting with is a potential customer. And the market is too competitive to chance my profits.
He calls me a nigger at the grocery store one day? And I later discover he’s the pizza delivery guy and could wind up at my door the next time I crave pepperoni? Guess who is calling Pizza Hut instead.
So apparently the Magabomber has something in common with his Idol, namely that he is a big fat liar.
Yup, sorry, you haven’t changed my mind. The owner seemed to think he was a kook but all talk, no action–which 95% of freaks are. She strikes me as a child of the '60s who wanted to reach out to him and thought he might learn that lesbians and other people different from him are just human beings. From what she’s said (what I’ve heard of it, anyway), he never said anything to customers and none of his coworkers complained about him. And even with all he said to her, she never felt threatened by him; he didn’t give off those dangerous vibes. Which makes it more scary, really.
Was she naïve? In hindsight, yes, obviously. Do I still admire her stance? Also yes. It’s a sort of platonic ideal. She’s a nobler person than I am, that’s for sure.
She reminds me of those people who think wild bears are cute and then try to take a selfie with one. And people like this always act surprised when the bear acts like a fucking bear and tries to fucking kill them. These people are fools. There’s nothing admirable about being a fool.
She isn’t sweet. She isn’t good. She isn’t evil either, but come-the-fuck-on. There’s nothing wrong with being intolerant of someone who expresses to your face their wish for harm to come upon you and people like you. By giving her big ups, you’re telling the rest of us that it is somehow wrong or “indecent” to have personal standards about the company we choose to keep. I really hope you don’t believe that.
If I were your boss, I’d fire you just for telling me that repugnant belief.
I don’t give a flying fuck about Nazis. Fuck Nazis. People who’s main goal is to burn, kill or defile others, whether or not it’s them doing the act or someone they support, don’t deserve even the barest amount of sympathy you’re suggesting.
If they want to be treated differently, they can choose to act differently.
:rolleyes:
There’s nothing ‘noble’ about endangering your employees and customers because you’re too stupid to recognize the danger in the man who says you should be exterminated.
FFS, even from a purely selfish business owner standpoint: if I was a customer and I saw that van in front of my house, I’d never patronize your business again. I don’t want crazy people showing up at my house and I don’t want crazy people handling my food.
If he’s driving that van I don’t see how that would work.
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I’ve been giving this thread a lot of thought and I can certainly understand why someone might want to extend the benefit of the doubt and tolerate a person’s private eccentricities or political beliefs. This is not about ‘politics,’ however. This is about morality. Namely, the employer tolerated the employee’s harassment, insubordination, and immorality.
Here’s the thing: In every single one of these mass killer terrorist situations, the perpetrator practically broadcast to the world that he was going to commit violence. They throw up red flags all over the place. And one of the things we know about these sorts of crimes is that nobody just wakes up one morning and randomly decides to go kill their racial enemies. There is a radicalization process. They test the waters and escalate by degrees. In the case of Nidal Hassan - for example - the perpetrator consistently and brazenly talked about jihadist Islam and praised terrorists. His leadership ignored him. We see the exact same thing in rape cases. A perpetrator begins with innuendo and ribald jokes, and escalates their misbehavior over time. This is why so much rape prevention training focuses on early intervention.
The employer in this example thought she was doing good by turning the other cheek. She wasn’t. Every time this person uttered a hateful thought and got away with it, the message he received was, “This is okay.” He saw there were no consequences and no real criticism, so he took it as an implicit message that his behavior was acceptable. And then he escalated to the next level.
If no one tells him he is wrong and makes him face some kind of consequence, the perpetrator will not self-correct. He will take their silence as consent and acceptance.
Top Dog is a small chain that serves hot dogs in Berkeley California. Their walls are plastered with libertarian propaganda. One of their employees attended the Charlottsville Riot in August 2017. What did Top Dog do?
The headlines
Aug 14, 2017: Top Dog Employee Who Participated in Charlottesville White Supremacist Rally Resigns: He was identified on social media https://sf.eater.com/2017/8/14/16144078/top-dog-cole-white-charlottesville-berkeley
Aug 17, 2017: Former Top Dog Employee Says He Isn’t A White Supremacist, Despite Marching in Charlottesville Rally: He resigned after his identity was revealed on Twitter Former Top Dog Employee Says He Isn’t A White Supremacist, Despite Marching in Charlottesville Rally - Eater SF
Oct 28, 2018: Former Berkeley Top Dog employee arrested for alleged Charlottesville rally violence Former Berkeley Top Dog employee arrested for alleged Charlottesville rally violence
According to a Department of Justice press release, White — along with Benjamin Daley, Thomas Gillen and Michael Miselis — traveled to Charlottesville from the West Coast with the intent to incite and commit “violent acts in furtherance of a riot.” They allegedly took part in an unauthorized torchlit march at the University of Virginia and seriously injured counterprotesters at the rally the next day.
The four men are a part of the Rise Above Movement, described by FBI officer Dino Cappuzzo’s affidavit filed in federal court Tuesday as a “militant white-supremacist organization” based in Southern California.
Criminal complaint available at the link.
ETA: Nice work JB99, +1.
It’s not absurd to think some leftie might have been like that during the 1970s. But the crazy is disproportionately right wing now. The pendulum might be different in 2050. Going out on a limb: extremism is bad