Try to kill who? God didn’t try to kill anybody in the verses mentioned. He just said that Moses would die of old age before entering the promised land.
I think people here are conflating two separate biblical events. The one in question is Numbers 20:
That’s it in its entirety. No attempts at murder. No foreskins. Just water and rocks.
C and x aren’t constants - they change over time. You cannot assume that C(t) and x(t) have always equalled C(now) and x(now).
What is that formula, anyway? I haven’t seen it in any discussions on population kinetics…
I’m going to dance real close to the “lin in the sand” here, and say that you’re putting it way too mildly.
I think the word “bullshit” applies fairly well.
To the OP,
Lacunae Quell:
Evolution can be observed. There was no theory of evolution until Charles Darwin sailed to Galapoagos. He had no idea. He had no “agenda” to push evolution, because he hadn’t even thought of it yet. When he got there, he noticed things. Subtle difference, large differences, between the animals of one island and other neighboring islands. He started to ask why. That is whhere the first idea of evolution theory came from. The theory came about after the observations.
Evolution can be observed. Every year, we need a different flu vaccine, because the virus has mutated. If life was created just so, by divine decree and was unchanging, one vaccine would be good forever. Mutation = evolution.
Some mutations are beneficial (stronger, faster, more agressive, more resistant to disease etc) and some mutations are destructive (genetic birth defects, random “bad” mutations). Some don’t make any apparent difference at all.
These changes do not happen as the OP described. They happen in the next generation, or the one after that. They may be gradual, they may be relatively quick, they even may be unnoticed. You will never see Dr Banner magically change into a giant. You won’t see a fish morph into a frog. It doesn’t work that way.
Evolution can be “read” like a book, in the fossil records. We can trace the dominance of different life forms through time, and know fairly accurately when they happened. Sometimes there was a long stable period. One form (mollusks, fish, amphibians, dinosaurs, whatever) would dominate. Then there would be a climate change or catastrophe. The “ruling class” would be severely reduced or even wiped out, making room (job opportunities) for some other critter. Then they would evolve, to take advantage of the new opportunites. There have been several mass extinctions, and each time, something different would become the “big dog” until the next extinction.
On the other side, we have 'creationsits", “young earth”, intelligent design, all sorts of hoodoo. All they have is empty words. They never prove anything. Their idea of proof is to cherry pick their arguments and target certain narrow “opportunities” to attack. They play with words. They bullshit.
For example, that stupid article uses several fallacies. it uses “appeal to authority”, citing supposed creationist scientists . Then, it conveniently ignores the fact that many of those listed lived and died before evolution was even thought about (didn’t Newton die way before evolution theory came up?). I forget… was Gregor Mendel in there any place? He did a lot of experiments that actually prove evolution, once you look closer. One of the few “modern” scientists listed was Von Braun. Von Braun may have known rockets, but didn’t know squat about biology. Then that “article” also claims an “appeal to the masses”, saying that if a lot of people believe this glurge, it must be true. Your cited “article” is a piece of trash. Shall I go on?
So, OP, cut the bullshit. You aren’t here to discuss or debate. You are here to sell the same old fertilizer. To hell with your Dripping Springs. It’s a bunch of lies.
BuT thE MastEr WouLD NOt aPPrOvE…
Lacunae=Torgo? 
But Mose (Allison? 
) and the people had lots of issues - why was this one so significant. The mass of those who escaped from Egypt were not allowed to cross the Jordan because they were too weak, not because they had disobeyed.
But the main point is that God definitely wanted the water to flow in a way that there was no doubt it was a miracle, which falsifies the contention that God wants faith only.
The greatest irony is that Judeo-Christian Creationism itself is the product of evolution.
To protect itself from the harsh light of reality, it has reincarnated itself a dozen times.
Literal belief in Genesis > allegorical belief in Genesis > natural theology > Day-Age Creationism > Gap Creationism > Progressive Creationism > Neo-Creationism > finally (hopefully) “Intelligent Design”.
Even if they were, it is amusing to calculate the supposed population of the Earth at various dates in history, and compare them to what we know of the population. So this fails for two reasons.
I remember some calculations along these lines that suggested there were only 120 people on Earth when the Pyramids were built.
heh heh Yeah, but I bet they really cleaned up on the overtime pay 
Why is literalism the starting point? My understanding is that it’s become popular much more recently.
Well, I suppose somebody had to write it down before somebody else would start buying into it.
Feel free to start at, “Now just where the heck did we come from, man?” if you prefer.
It doesn’t make a big difference, particularly in this debate. But I thought literalism was mostly a recent phenomenon.
I did some checking, and finally found it: Babel and the World Population: Biblical Demography and Linguistics
I find the following quote from that page most amusing:
The entire page is nothing but specifying arbitrary growth rates “in order to make the results come out to any predetermined value”!
But there are lots of others reading this thread who act as a sort of “invisible jury”. Do you suppose LQ has swayed many people to accept his fundamentalist viewpoint who don’t already? If not, then he’s losing.
First, I’d like to state that I said I did believe in evolution way before I started posting information on creationism. I don’t know why I started posting information on creationism. Perhaps I just wanted to learn a little more about evolution (because I never really learned too much about it) so I posted the things I would believe if I didn’t believe in evolution.
The reason I believe in evolution is because of what Genesis 1:21 says. God created “great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded” (aren’t amphibians generally aquatic creatures?). Also, from the waters, God created birds. This obviously supports that some fish evolved into birds.
However, I have a different view on evolution than most people. I do believe in Intelligent Design. I do believe man was created and didn’t evolve from anything. I believe that woman was created from the rib of man… and yes… I believe EBEs (extraterrestrial biological entities) and cloning were involved. I believe EBEs are types of angels. Who cares? I haven’t called anyone ignorant for what they believe, so I don’t feel that anyone should consider me ignorant for what I choose to believe… all anyone can do is speculate about those sorts of things anyway. I don’t believe it is fair to call me ignorant because I believe in God. Truth be told, all people are ignorant when it comes to the existence of God… I can’t prove it, no one can disprove it. Please don’t accuse me of wasting my life for believing and please don’t call me ignorant if you are just as ignorant about the existence of God.
The reason ‘evolutionist’ isn’t an accepted term is because those who support evolution don’t want competition and/or don’t want to accept a separate model that is based on creationism… which is fine. I’ve not read anything in the Bible that claims the Earth is young. In fact, Ecclesiastes 1:4 says “…But the Earth abides forever” and Eccl. 1:10 says “…has already been in ancient times before us”.
I do not believe God created all that is in 6 literal days. In the Bible it says “But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day”–II Peter 3:8. I believe the God of love and patience would take more than 144 hours to create all that is. However, if God did create the universe and all that is in 144 hours I will not doubt that He could or did do it. I just know, beyond any doubt, that God doesn’t condemn me for my belief in evolution.
As one of my Bible teachers once told me… the word for day in Hebrew is “Yom”. I argued “Well what would the Hebrew word for a day on Jupiter be”? If it is still “Yom” then obviously “yom” doesn’t mean a 24-hour period… it just means “day”. Yes, we were discussing evolution. I even wanted to speak in front of a Baptist church about the Biblical scripture that supports evolution, but the pastor wouldn’t let me. I did not let that discourage me, just as I will not let what anyone says on this website discourage my beliefs.
This post is getting long, and I don’t want anyone to give me any heat for typing more than necessary 
I just wanted to state some of the basic things I have chosen to believe about creation/evolution. I hope this has at least been entertaining reading.
Since it’s just a line from a book of myths, it doesn’t support anything. And there were a lot of steps between fish and birds.
And you are wrong. We clearly did evolve. And women and men evolved together, since we are the same species. And there’s no evidence that aliens or anything but plain old nature was involved.
Well, too bad for you then. We clearly do care, and I and others call your beliefs ignorant and foolish because they are. And that’s being polite about it.
Nonsense. They can, and are investigated scientifically.
Belief in God is foolish. There’s no rational reason to believe that he’s anything other than a myth created by primitives. Belief in God is something that deserves to be met with contempt.
No, it’s because “evolutionist” is just a term creationists use as an insult and propaganda tool. And there is no serious competition for evolution; creationism is pure garbage.
Since he doesn’t exist, he doesn’t condemn anyone. God’s just a fantasy, your imaginary friend; so naturally he agrees with whatever you think or do.
A situation that does not appear to have changed, at all.
Aside from a few posters who are your mirror image, (holding religion in contempt where you hold science in contempt), few people care what you believe, either. The acknowledgment that all the real scientific evidence points to evolution as the manner in which all life on earth has developed is not a belief. A belief in God–even the Christian belief in God–is not contradicted by an appreciation for the accuracy of the Theory of Natural Selection.
You will rarely be mocked for your beliefs–except when you put your religious beliefs against scientific knowledge and pretend that those religious beliefs are more accurate descriptions of the physical world.
In defense of being treated so hatefully about my beliefs…
“Imagination is more powerful than knowledge” -Albert Einstein
(taken from Einstein)
Albert Einstein… was well known for his esteem of the concept of “thinking like a child.”
This attitude allowed him to understand the universe in profound ways.
Einstein understood that his imagination would help him see what is possible, instead of what everyone else thought to be obvious or assumed to be true at the time.
…He gave his imagination the power, and not the knowledge or theories of the day. In fact, his imagination challenged and revolutionized scientific theory and the way we think about the nature of our universe.
“Some men see things as they are and ask why. I dream things that never were and ask, why not?” -Robert Kennedy
Imagination’s all well and good, but not all belief is equal, at least when it comes to factual claims about observable things – compare somebody spinning a fantasy yarn about exotic far away countries to someone who actually went there; you wouldn’t give both the same credence, would you? Nobody’s sailing the seven seas using only a copy of Gulliver’s Travels as their guide; they use naval maps, whose consensus shockingly seems to be that Lilliput doesn’t exist at all!
Now, the scientific exploration of the universe isn’t all that different from the geographic exploration of the world – you go places and write down what you find, and you get ever more accurate maps. Religion tells of remote places no man (or perhaps only a chosen few) have yet set foot upon, and again, that’s all well and good – but when this narrative is in conflict with the maps, and accurate navigation is one’s aim, it’s always the maps that win out.