Why are mods allowing these similar posts?

[John_Mace]

I was going to start a separate thread on this, but this one is close enough.

One recent member has started 3 threads that are virtually identical. I’m wondering why the mods are allowing this.

Thread 1:what do I do about racist ethnic mods on major forums?

Thread 2: Media too pro-muslim?

Thread 3: Why do liberals give positive discrimination to muslims?

All are about alleged bias in favor of Muslims (when we all know it should be the other way around!!).

[Trinopus]

@John_Mace

I was going to start a separate thread on this, but this one is close enough.

One recent member has started 3 threads that are virtually identical. I’m wondering why the mods are allowing this. . . .

This is just an opinion, but… Three isn’t really excessive. Any more, and, yeah, that starts to look obsessive. But these three are just barely diverse enough in nature to be okay. Lord knows, we have established, long-time members who have tunnel vision and idees-fixee. FWIW, I’d say the guy hasn’t tumbled off the cliff yet, although he’s ridin’ mighty close. (Cue closing credits to Quick-Draw McGraw.)

[engineer_comp_geek]

Moderator Note

The OP was originally posted to this thread:

Why are new posters duplicating recent OPs?

As the posts linked in the OP have nothing to do with spamming and ban evasion, I have moved this post to its own thread.

[DrDeth]

It’s Déjà vu all over again.

[Jonathan_Chance]

Well, I see some daylight between them. And if you disagree with a poster the proper response is to debate a poster.

As for how similar they are? As I said, they may stem from the same basic premise, but all have different flavors. Enough, at least, for me to be willing to let them live their separate lives.

[BigT]

The real question is why the poster is still allowed to post after the first thread. I stayed out simply because I expected the poster to be gone in a few days.

And, no, the proper response to bigotry is not to debate it. It would be to ban it, but the mods somehow think allowing it somehow stops it, despite it never having happened.

[John_Mace]

@Jonathan_Chance

Well, I see some daylight between them.

Did you read the threads? Post 10 in the 2nd thread is the OP in the 3rd thread.

Post 10, second thread:

Liberalism should be about freedom and equality.

Neither Islam or positive discrimination is working towards that ideology. It’s unfair for Islam to receive such high levels of positive press when most people would naturally scorn at Islam for being too conservative (eastern religions tend to be liberal). I don’t see anything positive on conservative Hindus or Ba’aths, despite the fact that they have generally taken the quite route in the US.

Also, equality is about treating people colorblind, looking past their race and judging people on character. I don’t see why being Muslim should be considered positive by liberals, when Christianity is generally scoulded by liberals.

OP in the 3rd thread:

Liberalism is about liberty. Liberals should be advocating secularism and athiesim. I want to support a party that bans creationism, separates the church from politics, and doesn’t enforce school prayers.

Muslims have no place in liberalism. The religion is regressive and far-right conservative. It goes against so many liberal values that liberalism should treat Muslims like they were on the wrong side of the Republicans!

The liberal establishment should be more vocally critical of Muslims and even shun them. At the very least, liberals should do no more than tolerate Muslims.

[DrDeth]

It’s Déjà vu all over again.

[Drunky_Smurf]

@John_Mace

Did you read the threads? Post 10 in the 2nd thread is the OP in the 3rd thread.

Post 10, second thread:

OP in the 3rd thread:

But the words are in different orders so it’s totally legit.

[DrDeth]

@Drunky_Smurf

But the words are in different orders so it’s totally legit.

Totally legit it is, Different order the words are.

[Crazy_Canuck]

@BigT

And, no, the proper response to bigotry is not to debate it. It would be to ban it, but the mods somehow think allowing it somehow stops it, despite it never having happened.

I strongly disagree. You can’t stop bigotry with bannings, that leads to an echo chamber and interesting people leaving. What you can do is expose bigotry to the light of day, where it tends to shrivel and die. Hopefully you can fight some ignorance along the way.

I hate to admit it, but I have identified as an MRA in the past. Then I started reading and participating in a feminism thread in GD. Seeing people make logical arguments and exposing the hate that was in that movement really opened my eyes. The end result was that I no longer identify as a MRA. (It helped that I was a misanthrope, not a misogynist.) None of that growth would have been possible without people arguing against a bigot.

Try and look at it this way. Most threads have far more views than replies. Even if you know you’ll never convince the person you are debating, think about all those invisible lurkers reading the thread. Some of them can probably be convinced, and if everyone refuses to debate bigots, all they read is what the bigot says. Is that what you want?

[Jonathan_Chance]

@BigT

And, no, the proper response to bigotry is not to debate it. It would be to ban it, but the mods somehow think allowing it somehow stops it, despite it never having happened.

Can’t disagree with that any more.

Even beyond what the extremely well spoken Mith (can I call you Mith?) said up there…do you really want us deciding what can and can’t be debated and discussed as cavalierly as that? What about if we choose something you think is reasonable to ban as a topic?

[Lucas_Jackson]

@DrDeth

Totally legit it is, Different order the words are.

~yoda

[Sunny_Daze]

@Mithrander

I strongly disagree. You can’t stop bigotry with bannings, that leads to an echo chamber and interesting people leaving. What you can do is expose bigotry to the light of day, where it tends to shrivel and die. Hopefully you can fight some ignorance along the way.

I hate to admit it, but I have identified as an MRA in the past. Then I started reading and participating in a feminism thread in GD. Seeing people make logical arguments and exposing the hate that was in that movement really opened my eyes. The end result was that I no longer identify as a MRA. (It helped that I was a misanthrope, not a misogynist.) None of that growth would have been possible without people arguing against a bigot.

Really? Wow. I didn’t know that any good came out of those threads. Thank you for posting this.

Try and look at it this way. Most threads have far more views than replies. Even if you know you’ll never convince the person you are debating, think about all those invisible lurkers reading the thread. Some of them can probably be convinced, and if everyone refuses to debate bigots, all they read is what the bigot says. Is that what you want?

A good point.
I don’t envy the Mods the job of balancing different idealogical positions, as well as keeping debate civil. At times there is a very fine line between hate speech and a legitimate discussion.

[Senegoid]

@DrDeth

Totally legit it is, Different order the words are.

Déjà vu it all over again is.

[DrDeth]

@Senegoid

Déjà vu it all over again is.

:D:D:D:D

[John_Mace]

Thank-you, Tom. Not sure the encompasses the precise issue raised in the OP, but close enough.

[crowmanyclouds]

@John_Mace

Thank-you, Tom. {…}

Yes but, how can “we” be sure tomndebb isn’t secretly Pakistani?

CMC fnord!

[tomndebb]

@crowmanyclouds

Yes but, how can “we” be sure tomndebb isn’t secretly Pakistani?

CMC fnord!

Would that be secretly Middle Eastern Pakistani or secretly Indian Pakistani?
(And why would the European Illuminati care?)

[crowmanyclouds]

@tomndebb

Would that be secretly Middle Eastern Pakistani or secretly Indian Pakistani? {…}

There’s a difference? :dubious:
(I really want to somehow reference the Fawlty Towers’ Major Gowen on Indians vs West Indians joke, but the brunt of the joke is the racist not really the racism . . . so I can’t make it work. But, we should be honored that the Major’s ghost posts on our board!)

@tomndebb

{…} (And why would the European Illuminati care?)

I . . . um I mean they, they care about everything!
(BTW Why haven’t you fixed that drippy faucet yet? ;))

CMC fnord!