[QUOTE=cmyk]
Smokers can just stop smoking. But everybody has to eat.
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Logical fallacy, you fat disgusting asshole. You fatsos ate all my food! What do I do now?
No, seriously–while the OP’s standards are a bit too strict–as the child of someone who died from obesity, I reserve the right to be as squicked by the morbidly obese as by someone with visible sores over most of their body. There’s a world of difference between what one needs to eat & what some people do eat.
[QUOTE=cmyk]
but smoking is a choice that no one ever has to make.
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Not to hijack the thread (the point of which is to rightly call the OP a moron), but may I fight your ignorance on this?
Smoking is not a choice, it’s an addiction. No one chooses to become an addict. It’s an insidious trap that some of us fell into years or decades ago. The damage has been done, and climbing out of the trap is a complex and difficult task. To say that one can simply choose to not smoke is naive.
As to the OP – who is a moron – if anyone tries to get me to step on a scale to see if I should pay a tax, I’ll kick his ass.
[QUOTE=tdn]
Smoking is not a choice, it’s an addiction. No one chooses to become an addict. It’s an insidious trap that some of us fell into years or decades ago. The damage has been done, and climbing out of the trap is a complex and difficult task. To say that one can simply choose to not smoke is naive.
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No doubt. It’s an addiction and an ugly downward spiral. But I’m trying to keep the comparison to that of a “food addiction” (only because 2 & a half made it). While no one starts life with a cigarette in their mouth, we certainly start life very early eating junk and craving fat, carbs and salt. It’s in our genes. Tobacco, you’ll have to agree, is something learned. Then, and only then, does it become an addiction.
I repeat, I’m only trying to compare smoking to overeating. It doesn’t hold up. Different things are at work.
(I do have to disagree, that in the true sense of the word, smoking is certainly a choice.)
You can say:
I find fat people disgusting.
You can not say: Everyone finds fat people disgusting.
You could say: I, and many people I know, find fat people disgusting.
Saying any of these statements will make me, and many people I know, lose respect for you. Not because I am enforcing any sort of political correctness, not becuase I myself am fat and take offence, but rather such an opinion means that you value humans only on their appearence. Some fat people are disgusting people. They are cruel and ignorant. Some thin people are the same way. What makes one disgusting is their character, not their appearence. Getting people to judge others on the content of their character, and not their appearence is a dream of ours.
[QUOTE=cmyk]
(I do have to disagree, that in the true sense of the word, smoking is certainly a choice.)
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I get where you’re coming from with comparing it to eating.
But smoking is a choice in the same way that heroin addiction is a choice. It’s a choice that is most likely made only once, and usually at a pretty young age, and often under the influence of tremendous peer pressure. From that point, choice goes right out the window. I no longer choose to smoke. I have to make the decision to choose to quit, and that is a much more difficult choice. I mean, yeah, logically it’s a no-brainer. To actually go through with it is a combat of epic proportions.
[QUOTE=Zebra]
Getting people to judge others on the content of their character, and not their appearence is a dream of ours.
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Hey, that’s pretty catchy - you should write that down! Might need an edit or two, but I think you’re on to something. 
[QUOTE=Zabali_Clawbane]
No, I was talking about the little bitty bulge all women have if they have a utereus. Some do crunches/sit-ups to try to get “washboard abs” and are unhappy because they still have that bulge. That’s what I was talking about.
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I could be wrong, but isn’t a uterus a small enough organ (when not containing a fetus) and hidden behind enough other stuff that it wouldn’t cause any bulges? I know any number of slim women, and I’ve never seen this on them where I presume it would show more because of lack of padding, so to speak.
[QUOTE=Telperien]
I could be wrong, but isn’t a uterus a small enough organ (when not containing a fetus) and hidden behind enough other stuff that it wouldn’t cause any bulges? I know any number of slim women, and I’ve never seen this on them where I presume it would show more because of lack of padding, so to speak.
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Yeah, I’d like to see some (SFW) pictures so I can see what you’re talking about.
You can say fat people are disgusting if you say “in my opinion” first. I play racquetball with a guy who wants women to weigh at least 250. His wife lost 120 lbs and he is angry about it.
[QUOTE=gonzomax]
You can say fat people are disgusting if you say “in my opinion” first. I play racquetball with a guy who wants women to weigh at least 250. His wife lost 120 lbs and he is angry about it.
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Is he a feeder?
[QUOTE=tdn]
I get where you’re coming from with comparing it to eating.
But smoking is a choice in the same way that heroin addiction is a choice. It’s a choice that is most likely made only once, and usually at a pretty young age, and often under the influence of tremendous peer pressure. From that point, choice goes right out the window. I no longer choose to smoke. I have to make the decision to choose to quit, and that is a much more difficult choice. I mean, yeah, logically it’s a no-brainer. To actually go through with it is a combat of epic proportions.
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I’m with ya, as well. I’m not arguing that addiction is easy to break. In some way, you were practically victimized by Big Tobacco. Who knows? But I will stick to my guns and argue that smoking is less immediately addicting than heroin, or any other type of heavy narcotic. Nicotine is dependent forming, yes. Next to impossible to quit, yes. But, and I can say from personal experience, that smoking takes some momentum to really get hooked. Once hooked, it’s probably just as hard to break the addiction, as it is anything else (alcohol, narcotics, reality television). You can’t take one hit off a cigarette (or perhaps even a pack) and become an addict. You succumbed to peer-pressure and I completely understand that (I have personal experience as well). It doesn’t make it any less of a choice than taking a hit of heroin or smoking a jay.
Do we crave nicotine out of the womb? Heroin? Alcohol? Pot? No. You get addicted to these substances at your own risk. Anybody, by the age of 5 knows this shit is bad for you. I certainly did, when the pressure was on me in my teens. And I’ve lead a fairly clean lifestyle, by choice (believe me, the draw for getting high–for myself–is a strong one).
However, we crave fat, carbs, etc. There’s no breaking that. Ever. We will always crave it, because we’re hardwired for it. I see you’re point, that once the genie is out of the bottle, there’s no putting it back, with smoking. But with overeating, that genie is inside our genes.
[QUOTE=Freudian Slit]
Is he a feeder?
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I think it’s probably a malfunctioning sensitiv0meter, but I find that question frankly insulting. Would you ask a person who liked 100 pound women if he withheld food from his lovers? Isn’t it far more likely that heavy women are his preference, not his pathology?
[QUOTE=WhyNot]
I think it’s probably a malfunctioning sensitiv0meter, but I find that question frankly insulting. Would you ask a person who liked 100 pound women if he withheld food from his lovers? Isn’t it far more likely that heavy women are his preference, not his pathology?
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Well, I meant the part about him actually getting angry that his wife lost all that weight. I’m guessing if she was able to lose 120 lbs that she weighed quite a lot to begin with, since 120 lbs is the size of a small person. Someone getting angry that their SO wants to lose weight and become healthy just sends up warning signs to me.
2 1/2 is just a newb, not a troll. When I first started posting here, I might have said any number of things I wouldn’t now, having had the benefit of reading the wisdom (and idiocy) demonstrated on these boards. I might have said, for example:
Fat people are disgusting.
Religious people are idiot sheep.
Black people exaggerate racism.
George Bush is a complete moron.
The death penalty is a great idea.
Etc.
But I have learned. I have hung around here and read and absorbed and learned things, and I would think twice before posting any of the above, and I would be damn sure I could defend my position. Poor 2 1/2 just isn’t there yet. Let us not feast upon his flesh. Let us show him the error of his ways.
Nah, fuck it. Burn him! Burn him like a rat!
[QUOTE=Ghanima]
I might have said, for example:
Fat people are disgusting.
Religious people are idiot sheep.
Black people exaggerate racism.
George Bush is a complete moron.
The death penalty is a great idea.
Etc.
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True, true. With all of the wisdom that my experience on the board has given me, there is no way that I’d say the 4th one.
You believe me, don’t you?
[QUOTE=Zabali_Clawbane]
… Thirdly, what constitutes unattractively overweight is objective… In short, you were posting objective opinion as mainstream culture.
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FWIW, and not do diminish your point, but objective does not mean what your context would suggest you think it means. I think you were thinking of subjective (def. 3a).
[QUOTE=cmyk]
However, we crave fat, carbs, etc. There’s no breaking that. Ever. We will always crave it, because we’re hardwired for it. I see you’re point, that once the genie is out of the bottle, there’s no putting it back, with smoking. But with overeating, that genie is inside our genes.
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Inside and filling out our jeans.
Sorry, but there is no way you can convince me you’re anything but a troll.
[QUOTE=KneadToKnow]
FWIW, and not do diminish your point, but objective does not mean what your context would suggest you think it means. I think you were thinking of subjective (def. 3a).
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She may have been confused because it’s actually both. Up to a point it’s subjective, but there’s a threshold which, once exceeded, you are disgusting by every objective measure. For example, when the pendulous flab of your thighs obscures both your kneecaps, and you still insist on dressing in Spandex shorts as you make your annual red-faced waddle through a county fairground shoveling funnel cakes and chili dogs into your maw.