In my teens I was difficult and aggressive, and I was often pursued by girls/women who apparently found it attractive. In return, I was consistently neglectful and disrespectful to them.
Now I’m a much more balanced person, but evidently much less attractive to women. I’ve even been dismissively called a SNAG (Sensitive New Age Guy?) by a girl I would have easily seduced in the old days.
My question then: why do women do it? And does this mean that we’re condemned to endless neglectful and disrespectful behaviour towards women from young men?
I think the general conclusion that is reached every single time this subject comes up is that a lot of self-proclaimed “nice” guys are not nice, but whiny and self-pitying, which is not appealing.
Henry, it depends more on what kind of women you’re trying to get together with. Emotionally unhealthy people will not be attracted to someone balanced, and emotionally healthy women will not find jerks attractive.
I used to lack self esteem and I did end up with jerks. Now that I have reached a better place emotionally, those types turn me off completely.
I also second what Elfkin said. Many self-proclaimed “good guys” are whiney and not at all emotionally stable. I don’t know what’s worse. Arrogance and aloofness (the jerk) or desparate smothering (the “nice” guy).
You could always say “why are women so stupid and ignorant?” or similiarly insult us somehow. That usually is what makes these type of threads explode.
I think sometimes guys confuse being nice with being a doormat.
I expect to earn a man’s expect and admiration, just as he should earn mine. There’s got to be a balance somewhere in a healthy relationship. If a guy’s TOO nice, I figure he’s either desperate, or just telling me what I want to hear. Also, it can be smothering. I’ve dated Nice Guys who were truly nice guys. Though I’m still friends with them, something that turned me off to them as boyfriends was that they were always inside the boundaries and playing exactly by the book. Sponteneity is a good thing, and I missed it in those relationships. I didn’t feel I could let my hair down because they never did, even if it’s just staying out too late and having one beer too many. I think it’s more satisfying to win the respect of someone who doesn’t necessarily respect all the rules, if that makes any sense.
“Bank-Shot”: If you want a girl, try going for her best friend. -The best friend must be in a stable relationship already, preferrably with somebody very different than you (-to ensure that the friend will never fall for you) else everything becomes a mess. Then you pester your target for info on the best friend, make a few cheap/cliche semi-romantic gestures, and then lament to your target about how “there’s no girls left that are romantic anymore”.
If the target offers to spend any time with you (even just hangin’ as buddies), then ignore her romantically/sexually, but keep spending time with her and complaining. If she keeps hanging out with you and doesn’t date other guys, sooner or later you’ll get the “where our relationship is headed” speech. She must think that this was her idea, else it won’t work.
And don’t make any of the same/similar gestures towards her. If ignoring her got you this far, don’t screw it up now by being a considerate human being.
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Never admit you have even heard of the bank-shot, if asked. And you must never, ever tell her how this all really started, even in your most angry moment. If she thinks she’s been duped into it, she’s history.
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There are “nice guys” who are real doormats. Women don’t normally go for these types.
Then there are genuine nice guys, and unfortunately, sometimes women STILL don’t go for them. The reasons vary. Sometimes, it’s because they’re just not thrilling, or maybe they don’t have the right combination of good looks and skill. At times, racial and cultural issues come into play.
Of course, sometimes women DO go for the genuine nice guys. I have several buddies who are genuinely nice, and happily married.
To further complicate matters, virtually ALL men consider themselves to be nice guys. That’s why you’ll often have guys who say “I’m a nice guy, and women love me!”, even though their actions don’t match their words.
In other words, don’t believe the cliche that womeon don’t like nice guys. By the same token though, don’t believe the cliched reply that “Self-described ‘nice guys’ are just doormats!” either. Contrary to what many will say, it’s not that simple.
Excuse me, irishgirl, but I hardly think the other thread turned into a “trainwreck”.
henryhick, nobody knows why people want what they do. Everybody in the world has an anecdote (or several) exactly like yours that suggest that women dig bad men, but it’s all subjective. It’s up to a sociological study to determine whether the numbers bear the theory out, but look around you, what do you see? Mature, healthy, stable people are in mature, healthy, stable relationships, and unfortunately, the converse is also true.
But if you’re frustrated with what seems like irrational behavior, that’s cool, God knows I understand that. My sister thinks Eminem is hot. You can have no idea how much that bugs me, or worries me.
You are aware that, as a member of the SDMB, you are allowed to use the search engine, yes? I think you’ll find a few relevant threads:)
In fact, being as it is past 1 AM (EST, at least), right now would be a fine time to do so:)
And finally … aside from the “some do:)” comment I am so wont to make, let me rehash something that was said in another thread in, IIRC, the pit.
Being nice can sometimes be confused with, or coupled with, being boring. Very, very, very boring. And as wonderful as nice is, boring is … well, res ipsa loquitur
What’s this business about females not liking nice guys? Men, if a woman doesn’t like you, it’s probably not b/c you’re not nice. Maybe you’re too shy or a doormat. For some crazy reason people tend to mistake these things for kindness. Or maybe you’re just too bitter about women not liking you? That’s a major turn off, btw. And let us not forget the possibility that she just plain doesn’t find you attractive. Could be your looks, could be your personality. A guy can be perfectly nice, but the two people just don’t do it for each other. It really chaps my hide is when someone is flawed on various levels - but just so happens to be nice - and assumes that’s the reason the lady doesn’t like him. Could be a ton of other things…
My great theory on this is that it is a remnant of prehistoric times. Women stayed at home and nursed the children, the men went out and hunted gazelles. To ensure the survival of the species, women naturally chose mates that were more apt to bring home the bacon. Any time spent playing with the kids or drawing on the cave walls was time that could not be spent gathering food, so sensitivity became a non-desireable trait in terms of survival of the species.
Be patient, Henry. There is a lid for every pot. It will happen.
So apparently the reason why the world is filled with mean, vengeful guys is that they’re the ones who got to mate with all the dumb-ass females out there, and reproduce their own kind…
