Why is Hillary so Hated?

[Jackmannii]

I checked on whether someone has put together a new Clinton “Downfall” video (not yet). The classic from 2009 is still relevant. Sample lines:

“The superdelegates were supposed to trump the fucking voters!”

“This is all of your faults, not mine.”

“The voters have stolen my (election).”

Hillary 'Hitler' Clinton's Downfall

[Shodan]

Nothing to compare to the “Hitler Does Agile Development”, but nice nonetheless.

Actually, Hillary has been publically nothing but classy since the loss. Likewise Obama, who spoke about Trump in a way that verges on the over-generous

@Obama

I think he is coming to this office with fewer set hard and fast policy prescriptions than a lot of other presidents might be arriving with.

Yes, that’s one way of putting it.

Regards,
Shodan

[Sahirrnee]

@astro

My take on her scenario is very different than yours. You’re looking a this at this as if she is an abused women who was wronged by her husband and did not have the strength to leave. He was a hound from the very beginning. She knew perfectly well from the start he was putting his penis in every vagina that would stand still. His cheating was epic and well known in their circle. He was a player before they met and after they married. She knew this.

She was a well paid attorney even back in the day and could have left at any time and supported herself. She tolerated his cheating as long as he was on the path to power. I don’t think she gave a rat’s ass about his screwing Monica, it was that he got caught and embarrassed and screwed himself politically that infuriated her.

IMO in looking back the Presidency was always the long game for her. Every decision and every step along the way was for this ultimate brass ring. She was a mediocre candidate and used her long term horsepower to keep coming back to the well. She was determined to be POTUS. So good for her but I can’t really muster a lot of sympathy for her as a “trapped” women. She had options and her decisions to stay close to the center of political power regardless of his behavior were deliberate and calculated with a long term goal in mind.

Not exactly.
I see her as a wronged woman who could leave but instead is willing to put up with his bullshit. I don’t see her as trapped, she has the money and the power to leave. I can’t respect her decision to say with him.
It sends a message that I can’t support.

I wonder how she would feel if her daughter’s husband was a cheat. Would she advise her daughter to put up with it?

I agree she probably puts up with him to further her political career. It just seems dishonest and sleazy to me.

[CookingWithGas]

I don’t hate her but I don’t trust her and I think her style is more bullying than collaborative.

Early in the primaries my opinion was that if she were elected she would further polarize the people of America rather than unite us, because she would try to steamroller her agenda. This is at a time when the Republicans have never gotten over how Obama forced through ACA on a strictly partisan vote.

She may have done nothing illegal with her foundation but has created the appearance of impropriety by taking six-figure payments for speeches and huge contributions from entities that would have a strong motivation to influence her.

I don’t really care about how she managed her emails, but when it came out that she was doing something that didn’t look right, she arrogantly took the position that she did nothing wrong, instead of just copping to it and asking our forgiveness.

But I voted for her as a vote against Trump.

[Boyo_Jim]

Hate’s too strong a word, but I dislike her for her raw political ambition, best evidenced by her NOT dumping Bill for his shameful behavior, and by carpetbagging her way into a NY Senate seat.

Still didn’t stop me from voting for her.

[Bullitt]

NM

[Bullitt]

@Sahirrnee

This, only it goes further for me.

Way back when, when Bill was running for president, I kept hearing about this great new man. He was going to save the world, lift the downtrodden, make life worth living, and he was handsome and sexy too.
I was working one full time and two part time jobs at the time, watching TV and keeping up with politics wasn’t happening for me.

One day I was at my friend’s house, she as a huge Clinton fan. He came on TV and she was quick to point him out.

I took one look at his face and saw every lying, cheating, sneaky, SOBing, Good Ole’ Boy I had ever known all rolled up into one. Then when he spoke! OMG! That voice! Like nails on a chalkboard.

I could not see the appeal. Handsome and sexy?

I looked at my friend and said that man would sell his own mama if the price was right!

The whole Monica thing did not surprise me at all.
Did not surprise me that he cheated, no surprise that he tried to deny it, no surprise that he tried to make her out to be some kind of crazed stalker, no surprise that he tried to say oral sex isn’t sex.

He is not just a man who cheats, he is a serial cheater. No respect for women, no respect for his wife, no respect for his daughter. He didn’t have an affair, he didn’t fall in love, he didn’t just mess up, he is a cheater, with no remorse, no shame.

At the time the whole Monica bullshit was going on, a friend was dealing with her cheating husband. Another serial cheater. She could live in denial until he got another woman pregnant. Now she has to face it, and like most women whose husbands cheat her first thought was what was wrong with her.
Was she not pretty enough? Was she too fat? What was she doing wrong? Why wasn’t she good enough for him?

To sit with a friend and listen to her cry, and to down herself, and lose herself, her self esteem, feeling like she failed and then after convincing her that it’s not her, it’s him - then she questions why she is so stupid to have loved him and what is wrong with her that she has such poor judgement.

IMO, serial cheating is a form of abuse. It may not be physical, but it’s mental and emotional abuse. The man knows what he is doing, and he doesn’t care.

My friend, like many other women in her position, felt like she couldn’t leave her husband. They had two kids and he made the money. She had nowhere to go and felt she couldn’t make it on her own.

Then I look at Hillary, who is smarter and stronger than her husband. She doesn’t need him, but yet she chose to stay and put up with the abuse. She not only tolerated his abuse and the public humiliation, but she defended him and made excuses for him.

I know she is an adult and she can make her own decision, but I felt like she let down every woman out there who is dealing with abuse. If she, as a rich powerful woman, Can’t or won’t leave her abusive husband, what message does that send to the women who are not rich and not powerful, who depend on their husbands financially?

Maybe rightly, maybe wrongly, but I felt like her actions were a slap in the face to every woman I know who has been in an abusive relationship.

How would people feel if instead of cheating, he slapped her around?
Abuse is abuse.

I can feel sorry for women who feel trapped, and I will do whatever it takes to help them out of the situation.

Hillary isn’t trapped, and I can’t respect any woman who stays in an abusive situation by choice. How can I trust her to make good decisions that will affect my life when IMO she can’t even make good decisions for her own?

Also here, dislike her, not hate her. She terribly mistreats her aides and helpers. She can often be downright cruel, ugly and demeaning to them.

I posted this in the Secret Service thread, and it is relevant here.

@Bullitt

She is very much the bitch. How about these to start.
New York Post - Secret Service agents: Hillary is a nightmare to work with:

“Good morning, ma’am,” a member of the uniformed Secret Service once greeted Hillary Clinton.

“Fuck off,” she replied.

That exchange is one among many that active and retired Secret Service agents shared with Ronald Kessler, author of “First Family Detail,” a compelling look at the intrepid personnel who shield America’s presidents and their families — and those whom they guard.

Kessler writes flatteringly and critically about people in both parties. Regarding the Clintons, Kessler presents Chelsea as a model protectee who respected and appreciated her agents. He describes Bill as a difficult chief executive but an easygoing ex-president. And Kessler exposes Hillary as an epically abusive Arctic monster.

That is from Ronald Kessler.

This is from Dan Emmett and Gary Aldridge:
'Get the f*** away from me,' Hillary Clinton shouted at minder who refused to carry her bag. She treated Secret Service like 'hired help.' Bill was a softie - but hard to manage, says former agent in bombshell expose | Daily Mail Online

‘Stay the fuck away from me! Just fucking do as I say!!!’ she is quoted as saying to an agent who refused to carry her luggage in the book Unlimited Access by FBI agent Gary Aldridge.

From MSNBC:

Hillary Clinton’s prominent role in her husband’s White House caused friction with the president’s staff, which occasionally erupted in her anger, according to newly released oral histories from the time.

<snip>
Hillary Clinton’s (temper) “had much more sustained velocity, for a longer period of time,” according to former White House Chief of Staff Leon Panetta. “She just let everybody have it,” Panetta recalled of one incident.
In another incident, he recalled an aide telling him: “The First Lady just tore everybody a new asshole."

<snip>

“She would blow up over something that she misinterpreted. Again, you can’t take her on, that’s not my boss. You can’t take on the First Lady,” Baggert said. “I remember one time in one of these meetings where she was blowing up about [Bill Clinton’s] staff and how we were all incompetent and he was having to be the mechanic and drive the car and do everything, that we weren’t capable of anything.”

Baggert added that Clinton would chew out staffers in front of their colleagues, which made things especially awkward. “Sometimes she’d be in those meetings and I’d think, ‘Please don’t let her yell at me,’” Baggert added.

From 1998 when the Monica Lewinsky affair came to light (clearly a difficult time for the family, but if one is a bitch to begin with, then your husband’s very public White House affair only makes one that much more a bitch to the staff, from businessInsider.com:

The first lady’s temper was reportedly “notoriously short” during the media frenzy that followed the press rumors of the Lewinsky affair.

A former storeroom manager told Brower that the affair fallout “was just so overwhelming for her and if you said something to her she’d snap.”

She is very much the bitch.

[VinylTurnip]

@Jackmannii

I checked on whether someone has put together a new Clinton “Downfall” video (not yet).

I’m not sure that would work. Hitler, upset that Trump won? Preposterous.

[Mdcastle]

@ThelmaLou

This has been informative.

Re 2nd amendment: I read something astonishing in the New York Times today. Sorry I don’t have the cite at my fingertips. The reporter was going around and asking people why they voted for Trump. One young guy, a Mormon in Utah, said he was afraid there wouldn’t be any jobs for him if Hillary got in (even though he wants to be a policeman, which strikes me as a pretty stable job opportunity), and “He worried that Mrs. Clinton would pass gun restrictions that could disarm law enforcement.”

My bold.

He’s worried that Hillary would not only take away the guns of private citizens (which she had no intention of doing) but would take guns away from police, too? How does that make any sense?

In the conservatives mind Hillary gets lumped in with all the extremist liberal elements (just like Trump gets lumped in with the KKK, etc in liberal minds). Black Lives Matter has called for disarming or disbanding the police.

[Mdcastle]

For me it’s

1. Her Pro-Choice stance
2. Her extreme hatred of the 2nd Amendment.
3. She not only doesn’t care that all our middle class jobs are now in China and Mexico, she’s actually part of her problem supporting the liberal elite and her husband getting us sucked dry by NAFTA.
   As distasteful is Trump is to me, he met my checklist and Hillary was worse.

[computergeek]

I’m curious, for those who do hate Hillary or dislike her a lot, how many of you like Bill? How many would vote for him again in a heartbeat if he could somehow run again

[Dale_Sams]

I hate her cause she couldn’t be a reality show-host who seemed to be actively trying to lose.

[DrDeth]

@Mdcastle

For me it’s

1. Her Pro-Choice stance
2. Her extreme hatred of the 2nd Amendment.
3. She not only doesn’t care that all our middle class jobs are now in China and Mexico, she’s actually part of her problem supporting the liberal elite and her husband getting us sucked dry by NAFTA…

True.

False

False not only on her stance but also false in that very few jobs “went” to China or Mexico. But in any case, they are not coming back. Ever. No matter what trump promises. They can’t.

[Jane_Smythe]

@Flyer

I wanted Condoleezza Rice to run back in '08. I would be perfectly willing to vote for Nikki Haley.

Both hit the ultimate jackpot–beauty, brains, AND conservative!

Condoleeza Rice is a beauty? Seriously? That’s funny.

But the fact is that good looks have nothing whatsoever to do with being a capable leader, and when women run for office, they should not be expected to be beauties. That’s just plain stupid.

[DrDeth]

@Shodan

In which case, you vote Libertarian and hope for the best.

And, as usual- get the worst.

[Acsenray]

@snowthx

I think in the early 90s when she was pursuing universal health care, and her comment about a “vast right-wing conspiracy” against her husband set her off on the wrong foot.

I agree with most of your post but I disagree with this. By the time she made that remark, the Republicans had already put a massive, efficient anti-Clinton machine in place. In other words, she was just describing reality, but that machine was just as happy to go to work on that remark as well.