Will The Marvels flop? [Open spoilers after post 112-ish]

Stealing another planet’s air? What is this, Spaceballs?

I remember a miniseries where the aliens were stealing all our water. You know how many ships it would take to haul it all away? “More than you can imagine!”

Especially considering that, if you have space travel, water is like the easiest thing to make. Find some hydrogen (which compresses and ships better), and burn it.

That was V. They were also taking all the people to use as Soldiers and food. The first miniseries is a good albeit on the nose Fascism allegory. The sequel was more action Sci Fi.

It originally wasn’t supposed to involve aliens at all:

Inspired by Sinclair Lewis’ antifascist novel It Can’t Happen Here (1935), director–producer Kenneth Johnson wrote an adaptation titled Storm Warnings in 1982. The script was presented to NBC for production as a television miniseries, but the NBC executives rejected the initial version, claiming it was too “cerebral” for the average American viewer. To make the script more marketable, the American fascists were recast as man-eating extraterrestrials in order to capitalize on the popularity of franchises such as Star Wars.

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Well, you also need oxygen. And if you have oxygen and planetary conditions suitable for water, you probably already have water.

Science!

I agree, it was a stupid premise. About as stupid, but in a different way, of being lizard creatures but hiding under an indistinguishable human skin. And having a sort of modified swastika for their alien logo.

it does raise the question of just what about the Kree civil war did to bork up their planet in such a way that adding new atmosphere and (presumably) salt water was going to course-correct it. If the atmosphere was fouled, well you’ve only diluted the foulness … but at least it’s something. Unless the musical planet had oceans of freshwater, though … honestly i would have expected starvation to be an issue but portalling in herds of alien cowthings would have been … ok it would’ve been funny, admit it. :rofl:

That’s not even getting into how the civil war was related to their homestar going out. One can only presume that their Supreme Intelligence was doing an awful lot of ongoing terraform-style engineering to keep the homeworld habitable. Kinda too bad it didn’t delegate tasks off so that Carol could’ve knocked out the “Kree population control A.I.” while leaving the “environmental control A.I.” to do its job.
But, that would’ve sidelined the whole moral plot of Carol essentially assassinating the boss and taking off to leave the mess for others to deal with, ultimately resulting in terrorist actions striking back against those associated with her. Nope, no real-life parallels in our world to that situation, not at all. :roll_eyes:

You have almost the right idea.

oh yes, that unfortunate dangling plothook. Another instance of ‘we neutralized the problem, let’s not worry about any possible consequences, surely that’ll be someone else’s problem!’

but hey, Reed Richards is Useless.

I could easily see a grittier space adventure before this one, with the Marvels being her redemption. Ah well.

as a consequence of my earlier linking to TVTropes (which I apologize for not warning thereof), my resulting TVT dive exposed me to some other consequences I hadn’t considered - a bit of reading between the lines - that took place between these two Captain Marvel movies.

specifically, the difference in how the Kree are represented between their empire in CM1 and their various other appearances in Guardians, Agents of SHIELD, etc. Realizing that an offscreen Kree civil war broke out across various factions gives more depth to things like Kree leadership not bringing back Ronan as well as Ronan’s attitude towards the peace efforts - not a stretch to imagine that Ronan was one of several offshoot factions in the war and one who was at odds with whomever was attempting to govern Hala at the time. Also in AoS, some of the Kree seemed independent of the rest of their race, not wanting to share their offshoot technology and bioweapons with other Kree.

There was also an observation that explains Thano’s ship immediately turning to fire on Capt Marvel in Endgame - presumably also in that timeline, Thanos’ troops were aware that CM had destabilized the entire Kree Empire in one single smashing attack and that incoming energy signature was Not To Be Trifled With, even if the attempt would be equally futile.

“We do not discuss it with outsiders!”

“Do not cross the streams!”

While the MCU should get credit for how much of it hangs together, they, like the comics they come from, retcon stuff all the time. For example, in Iron Man SHIELD is presented as something hat is mostly unknown but later we find out they have a headquarters that towers over Washington DC and have had it for decades.

I want to say that over the years of discussion regarding GotG, AoS, etc, there were always a few comments around the edges asking why they never mentioned the Supreme Intelligence … my limited impression being that this was a Big Deal regarding Kree in the comics. Having any serious plotlines involving the Kree and not so much as a namedrop of the S.I. would be like going to a religious service that never referred to a diety.

It would be nice to think that the rough outline Feige & Co had envisioned was that yeah, we want to unofficially nix any mention of the S.I. because we want to eventually show CM got in their base and set them up the bomb over a decade ago, that there is no S.I. during the current timeframe … but as you say, retcons and keeping things loose to backfill the gaps.
Avoids those Spider-Man Homecoming “8 years later” type of gaffes.

I never was able to convince my wife to see it so have only managed to see it now that it is streaming.

I see why it did not get enough positive buzz. That was pretty meh. And I really wanted to like it.

Returning to the question of how much you already need to know going in?

I am pretty sure my wife would have managed to follow what was going on, but any amount of caring about any of these characters relied on having met them before.

Ah well. Glad I didn’t insist with my wife.

Just saw it last night. We have seen all the MCU movies, but only saw WandaVision - we never saw Ms. Marvel or Secret Invasion.

We were a bit confused about Ms. Marvel, but already had interest in the other two main characters as we had seen the Captain Marvel movie.

Liked it a lot better than the latest Wasp movie, and it the big fight scenes didn’t drag out, which is one of my main complains about most of the MCU movies.

Yes, it’s not perfect. But we enjoyed it enough that we’ll probably go watch the Ms. Marvel. I expect we’ll see more of her family in that series.

They probably could have done a bit more with the Flerken eggs. As it was, the Flerkens were adorable.

It’s worth a watch but it is uneven. It started off really good and then got a bit bogged down in the middle. It is only 6 light viewing episodes long so it’s an easy watch.

And good reason that you’d want to see it: Iman Velani exudes personality which makes her character in the movie one you care about even knowing nothing about her. I’m expecting to see her a lot in the future.

She has co-written a number of Ms. Marvel comics. The ones out so far fit well into the original tone for the comic character (the comic character, setting, and story isn’t especially strongly similar to the MCU version).

Unfortunately now that the character has been retconned into being a mutant it means she is being rolled into the overblown, overburdened, overlong Krakoa story arc, which is much different in tone from the original Mrs. Marvel comics and will likely be overwhelming and overputting…uh, off-putting for fans of just the original comics.