Vance is undoubtedly popular within the cult, but it’s obvious from the poll numbers that he’s historically unpopular among mainstream voters, most notably among the millions of voters inclined to reluctantly vote for Trump because they want to vote (R). The hillbilly hayseed may be just enough to flip these marginal voters. Whether Trump sees this or not is another question, since he seems to inhabit an alternate reality, but even he must surely be aware that he’s falling in the polls.
He’s failing in the “fake” polls.
There are really three different world views here. There’s the totally fake reality that the Orange Menace presents to his devoted acolytes, there’s the real world, and there’s his perception of the world, which is a murky Twilight Zone area that tends to be somewhere in between. Judging by the maniacal firehose of grievances spewing out on Truth Social, many in ALL CAPS, particularly the hatred for Kamala, it’s pretty clear that he perceives he’s in trouble. Whether he possesses the modicum of intelligence to be able to conclude that Vance is a big part of the problem I have no idea.
If he does it will be Friday or never. And my guess would still be Burgum.
I think mistake Vance for a something that has a spine.
I’m not sure about that. He’ll still be a sitting US Senator from a solid red state that is the 7th largest by population. He could easily fill a GOP leadership role in the Senate where he could keep his name in the headlines.
Really? Seriously? Are you talking about Dem voters? No, I didn’t think so. Republican voters have shown that they can swallow anything, especially if it’s pitched to them as “NOW we will win!” Or even without that pitch, because republicans.
Dan
There is one advantage in keeping Vance. Trump can blame his defeat on him calling Vance “a bum”. IF he gets called out for picking Vance, Trump will change the narrative to how the 2024 election was stolen.
What would be the affect of Trump dumping Vance for Elon? Who would the other two horseman of the apocalypse be?
So, we’ve spent the entire thread discussing whether trump will, could, or might ditch vance, but except for (I think) a mention of burgum in #44 we haven’t considered who would be good enough (for some value of good) to influence trump’s popularity positively. Outside of his committed base, that is.
Dan
Agree w @Railer13.
To the degree a post-trump Republican party remains MAGATy, Vance will have a very nice spot from which to continue. If the trump/Vance ticket loses only by a little then trump dies or fades into utter senility / insanity, then soon enough Vance can claim they almost won, but alas, poor King Donald’s body failed him in the end and they didn’t quite have the vigor to clear the bar.
That’s a problem that much younger more vigorous Vance doesn’t share. Not one little bit. He could easily end up being Senate Minority (or Majority) leader for the next 10-20 years, and perhaps become a contender for Prez himself somewhere along the way.
Conversely, if somehow the R’s escape the cultish trance of trumpism and re-embrace the (questionable) values of e.g. Bush I & Bush II, then yes, Vance will be consigned to the wilderness. Like all the other MAGAts and Freedumb Caucus folks in Congress.
Musk isn’t a native-born American so he’s not eligible.
As of today, he’s lasted 3.27 scaramuccis (3.6 if you count a scaramucci as ten days).
Seriously? “Binding” is something that happens to other people.
Yeo. Look how well it worked out for McGovern.
Or almost one Liz Truss lettuce.
Heh. I was playing Jeopardy! The Home Game last night with my family, and that answer came up in the “Probabilities” category. The correct response was “What four words are least likely to be strung together?”
Lindsey Graham would jump in so fast it would spin your head.
True. He’s been buttsnorkeling Trump for years now.
The Classics Never Disappoint!
Heck, it’s like you’d need to have a worm in your brain.
Vance has done a poor job as a candidate, so his party may replace him. Why does that have bad optics?
I guess this a very obvious to others, and there is something in my personality that leads me to miss it. But didn’t Biden do a poor job as a candidate and get replaced? There was no optics problem there.
If Trump delays to a point where a few states retain the old veep name on the printed ballot, that would literally be bad optics. I think almost all voters would understand that the new veep is intended, so it would not hurt Trump, just be literally bad optics.
OK, I LOLed