Just so I am clear about what I am arguing against, your position is that no woman actually enjoys sex. She only puts up with it because: 1) she will get free stuff, and/or 2) she feels love towards the man as a person, so she begrudgingly allows him to stick his penis in her because she knows he likes it.
Is that a fair summary or did I misstate your position?
Yes actually, that’s 100% on point.
Are you surprised that exactly zero people agree with you?
People on this board are just contradicting me for the heck of it.
It’s maybe an instinct, you have to tell OP he’s wrong, otherwise you’d have nothing to talk about.
So rather than acknowledging that enjoying sex probably has a huge evolutionary advantage for both men and women, and women self report enjoying sex for no other reason than it feels good, you are choosing to discount all those opinions?
That doesn’t mean women (and men) don’t have sex for other reasons, but to say those are the only reasons is illogical.
Yeah, that explains it. It is rare to see a thread here provoke different opinions.
A woman can enjoy sex as much as she enjoys clipping her toenails.
Sex is not very high on her priority list for life’s enjoyments.
It’s nowhere near as important or significant to women as it is to men.
And I’ll remind you that even if she does “enjoy” it she still won’t find male genitals any less disgusting.
As said: someone should tell my girlfriend, because she definitely says that you’re wrong. Quote: “That’s fucking ridiculous. I definitely enjoy getting boned hard.”
Have you considered that maybe the problem is that you’re overgeneralizing your own experiences to all relationships?
Unlike my esteemed, (and extremely tolerant), fellow Mods on this forum, I do not see how the OP proposed an actual debate.
In the interest of actually starting a debate on the topic, I will point out a few situations that would actually contribute to a debate:
A debate (on the SDMB) should include a discussion of facts. (Those are real facts, not TRump/Spicer/Conway facts.) The closest that the OP has provided to actual facts has been links to the opinions of some undetermined number of women who were not selected in a scientific manner, but chosen because they already agreed with the OP. If one can find 62.9 million people who were willing to vote for Donald Trump, but 65.8 million people who voted for Hilary Clinton, the 62.9 million voters do not come close to indicating that “all” or even “most” voters liked Donald Trump as a candidate.
Finding the occasional Youtube submission where some number of women express displeasure regarding the appearance of male genitalia means nothing more than that some number of women dislike the appearance of male genitalia (OR are so angry at men for other reasons that they will mock or denigrate male genitalia in the same way that a number of people who dislike Donald Trump will mock the appearance or actions of members of his family in regard to matters that have nothing to do with his presidency). (Obviously such twits are as nasty and stupid as the people who mocked and denigrated Barack Obama’s family for the same idiotic reasons.)
However, the fact remains that nothing presented by the OP supports a factual conclusion that all or most women find male genitalia repulsive.
If this thread is going to actually turn into a debate, then something resembling facts will need to be provided. (And how many men find women’s genitalia to be pretty, as opposed to simply being objects of lust. I really don’t want to know, but it would seem that providing that information would be informative in a genuine debate.
Just because some guy feels that women do not like male genitalia and provides some ad hoc and unsubstantiated claims about women’s actual thoughts and rationales does not make this a debate. Let’s see some actual facts or let this bit of nonsense die the death of apathy.
All unsubstantiated points and only your opinion on how it must be. So again, you are discounting the explicitly stated experiences of women because you simply know better and have some secret truth the rest of us don’t know.
There’s no debate with someone who has made up their mind and is closed to other points of view. This is closer to witnessing than debate.
If this is true, why is there not universal agreement with this by the women in this thread? Everyone is using pseudonyms so their husbands/boyfriends will not find out. Why isn’t this thread filled with “Yes, you hit the nail on the head!” agreements with you?
So… as a corollary you also believe that all women in this thread are liars when they assert they actually take pleasure from sex as an activity?
Well, I’m done here - this person clearly doesn’t regard women as fellow human beings if he’s so determined to discount anything and everything they say.
I find it helps to think about baseball. Just saying.
Regards,
Shodan
We just don’t know what we’re really feeling. Thank goodness someone can point out the error of our ways.
Yes actually I can provide facts.
Here’s how it works:
I google random forums and boards for the question I want answered. If more than 90% of women give the same answer to a question then in fact we can assume they represent 90% of the female population. Here’s why: When people (women) are answering on say a forum, they are randomly answering new questions that they see continually. These women are not signing up to a forum or board specifically to just answer one question regarding how ugly male genitals are. These women are most likely long-time members who answer questions everyday. So in fact that sampling is random and unbiased, and it represents the general population. Oh and that goes for the youtube video too, the one you probably watched, there’s a lot of female comments on it which you’ve probably read.
If people don’t want to google I’ll do it myself:
Why are penises so ugly
Also the thing about rape, I got it partly from a research paper called “Sexual Economics: Sex as a female resource”
It’s under the “Rape and Coercion” section. It explains basically that rape is traumatizing to women because they don’t get anything in return, i.e. the man gets access to sex for free.
The other part, the one where I said rape is also bad because women find male genitals repulsive, is entirely my conclusion.
As for the last part, the one about women almost universally cheering and laughing at cases of penises being cut off by other women, I think most men here already know this and avoid mentioning it. I can give you unlimited live video proof of it (as well as facebook, forums, etc), but I’ll save it for later as a golden bullet.
I’ve got nothing to add other than to point out that we get very few of these type of threads these days and consider…this thread has introduced us to the the term “dickfetti”…we are all a little richer for having that in our lives.
Have you ever considered whether you should see if you find female genitalia more attractive? It is my understanding that women can also provide emotional commitment and financial stability.
Piffle.
It is probably true that men have higher sex drives than women, but once committed to the act, women (with multiple orgasms) have much higher enjoyment than cutting their nails.
From actual surveys rather than Youtube venting:
Is it because we’re cunning and deceitful, or because we are unintelligent and unsophisticated? I need to know.
And, for the record, I’ve had sex with people (ok, person) with whom I had no desire for a relationship, gifts, or even being seen in public with. I don’t remember his penis, so it couldn’t have been that repulsive.
That is not how it works. There is a reason why NO serious researcher will rely on internet surveys to determine opinions. There are no controls. They rely on volunteer reporting without any way to determine how many people with valid opinions simply scroll past such surveys without every opening them, much less replying to them.
There is not one instance of my opinion being recorded on an internet survey, despite the fact, (as demonstrated oten on the SDMB), that I have actual, serious opinions on multiple topics. (I do not even reply to surveys posted on the SDMB.) If a person sees a “survey” on the internet asking whether they like a particular phenomenon, they are not likely to respond unless they have a vested personal interest in the topic. So people who see questions about the enjoyment of sex or the beauty of genitalia who consider those question either silly, intrusive, or irrelevant are not going to respond and you will get only an opinion from people with their own axes to grind on the topic–and there is no way to know how much of the populations falls into the interested category o the uninterested category.
You can provide no facts, just limited opinions from people with axes to grind.