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There is that, but I’m in reservations, not the front desk. So if they show up with little Poopy and swear he’s a service dog, it’s not my problem. (Sorry, guys. Believe me, I have my own set of problems!) But if you call and ask me if we accept dogs, then no, we don’t. That nearly got me in trouble once when it turned out that the dog in question was a service dog and the email didn’t mention that!
Dear manager type dude, when I send you a segment of the new policy manual that directly refers to the area of business for which you are responsible for the entire nation, please try actually reading the attachment before you e-mail back and say that you don’t like how it’s laid out.
First of all, what I sent you is 19 pages, and your reply was timestamped a whopping 3 minutes after you got it. Second of all, it’s a first working draft. Layout isn’t even a thought here, this is about content, period.
Your inability to cooperate within this process has created a delay which will now extend into next week, which will put the project behind. Thanks so much! ARGH.
This is pretty clear. Mold, mildew and dust control are a part of normal cleaning. Ragweed, pollen and the like can hardly be controlled by anyone, guest or hotel (beyond the fact that they’re minimized by daily dusting and vacuuming) because they’re environmental allergens. The day anyone, hotel or otherwise, figures out a way to control for ragweed, they’ll become rich enough to own the whole planet.
As for how much mess your pets make, its really immaterial. Every animal leaves behind some measure of hair and dander, even your pets that make very little mess otherwise. The additional cleaning necessary to remove those allergens isn’t optional, and costs the hotel in additional housekeeping time and supplies. They pass that cost along to those who cause it, just as they will pass along additional housekeeping costs to those who leave their rooms in a state requiring extra attention.
[curlcoat]But what about the children? Why aren’t you charging extra for the children? It’s because you all love baybees so much, isn’t it? Why am I being persecuted!!![curlcoat]
Seriously, there is no way that a dog in a hotel room will not result in more cleaning than the average room without a dog. Dogs shed and drool and sit on the furniture and track dirt and mud in after they pee. I love my dog, and he really doesn’t shed very much, but I sure as shit have to clean the house more when he’s here compared to when he’s not.
Sure, you can say that some other guests will make a mess as well, but that’s really not the point. *Sometimes *people will create extra cleaning for a room. *Always *a dog will create extra cleaning. And it’s not like anyone is allergic to children - annoyed when they’re present, sure, but I’d like to see the person who has an allergic reaction to children who have vacated the premises.
This is the whole point. Anyone who is so allergic to pets that they have an obvious reaction after a room has had a normal cleaning should not be going about untreated. And any room left undamaged by a non-pet owning tenant isn’t going to get any extra charges. Much less the assumption up front that something is so horrible about any pet that the room will automatically need deep cleaning.
I have traveled with people who have left stepped upon pizza on the carpet, french fries all over the place, spilled soda on the bed, counters and floor and any time I say anything about them having to pay extra, they proudly tell me later that nope, no extra charge! After all, “that’s what housekeeping is for!”.
(And before some nimrod says something about my friends, this is after decades of travel - it isn’t common.)
Meyer6 - you and your poor untrained dog are the reason why motels think they have the right to make people like me pay more because you are a slob. What I don’t understand is why they don’t make everyone pay more because a few people can’t control themselves or their children and leave a big mess.
stands and applauds
Hey, that got We Are The Champions out of my ear… let’s see how long it lasts!
What? Because my dog sheds (not much by dog standards) and occasionally has dirt on his paws, therefore I have to vacuum and clean the floors more often and more thoroughly, he’s ‘untrained’? I guess you’re right in that I haven’t trained him to stop shedding on command or to hover when he goes out to do his business.
This has nothing whatsoever to do with training. I imagine you and hubby are just used to the slovenly pit you call a home, if you really believe that a dog creates no extra cleaning. Just because you’re used to living in a skanky hole doesn’t mean that other people can’t tell when your flea-bitten beasts have been around.
What happened to all that drool you said you had to deal with, as well as allowing the dog to get up on the furniture? Unless your dog is doing his business in a mud bog, he shouldn’t be bringing in any more dirt than your shoes are. Even if there is mud, it’s much easier to simply wipe paws than continue to do floors, if the dog is trained.
Yeah, right, because I don’t have to clean up these heaps of hair, dirt and drool you experience it must be because I live in a pit. Because you haven’t experienced it, it couldn’t be at all possible that well trained and clean dogs can create less mess than a human or at worst, no more than. Piffle. All I have to do is vacuum, mop and dust. No sticky messes, no drawing on walls, no food boiling over onto the stove. Very little laundry, far fewer toys - our two full time house dogs and one full time house cat make a lot less mess than would three more humans, even tho the cat is a champion shedder. I spend far more time cleaning up after the husband.
I am ignoring some very good advice by responding to this, but I have to give it one more try. I’m not particularly interested in slinging invective; I would rather find out if there is any meeting ground between us.
I avoid being close enough to animals to have an allergic reaction, this is my choice rather than being on extra and mostly-unneeded medication.
People don’t bring their pets to work. I don’t visit friends who have pets, or if I do, I do take medication in advance because I know I will have a problem. Again, this is my choice.
You seem to be saying that, any time I stay in a motel or hotel, I should do this same kind of precautionary medication on the off chance that the previous occupant was there with a pet. Is that right?
Or, perhaps a more reasonable alternative, you think that it is ok that hotels have rooms that are for people with pets, and other rooms that are for people who don’t want to be in rooms that have had pets, and that the only problem you have is that the hotel charges you more for staying in a room when you have pets than when you don’t. Would that be a fair statement?
I do find it difficult to understand why you disagree so strongly with the idea that rooms that have had pets staying in them require, on average, more cleaning effort than rooms that have not, and that the hotels need to recover this cost somehow. They could spread it among everyone, but since it is fairly easy to determine (barring dishonestly such as lying about having them) who has pets and who doesn’t, it does not seem unreasonable for the pet owners to pay a little extra for this purpose.
Finally, I think it is also fair to challenge your outrage that hotels “think they have the right” to charge you extra for your pets. They do have that right, absolutely, just as you have the right not to stay in any hotel that has this policy.
Have a nice day.
Roddy
What I find depressing is that I don’t find it at all surprising. GG corporate America.
Probably because it’s impossible for one of them to be pregnant and not know it, and then sue the lab because they miscarry or the baby has birth defects. The answer to most of your other questions probably has to do with the duration of the exposure–someone walking by in the hallway or poking their head in will be fine, but someone standing in the room for eight hours a day might not be.
Doesn’t change the fact that it royally sucks, though, or mean that they’re necessarily going about things in the right (or legal) way.
Do dooooooo do do do.
Oh, no worries, curly–no one could possibly make the mistake of assume that you have friends, even douchebag ones.
Ah, curly, your stupidity never ceases to amaze.
First, I never said my personal dog created ‘heaps of hair, dirt and drool’. Actually I never said he drooled at all, and generally he doesn’t. What I said is that all dogs create some amount of fur, dirt, and drool, and some breeds are much worse than others. Are you going to deny that there are any dogs who drool copiously? Or is that something else you can magically ‘train’ out of them?
Second, if you think your dog never gets up on the furniture when you’re not there, you are even more delusional than I thought. But that’s irrelevant since you actually admitted in the past that you let your dog sleep on hotel beds. What, is the bed not ‘furniture’ in your mind?
Third, neither I nor anyone else was comparing the mess of a dog to the mess of an extra person. We’re talking about comparing the mess between normal humans renting a hotel room and normal humans plus canines renting a hotel room. All the other bullshit you’ve decided to include - drawing on the walls, etc. - is just that, bullshit. Nevertheless, since everything with you must come down to a comparison between you and the babbies, I’ll let you in on a little secret - people who travel with kids do pay extra for them, in the form of bigger rooms, charges for a cot or crib, potential damage charges, etc.
Fourth, I assume you live in a pit because you really seem unable to comprehend that dogs create extra cleaning. No sane or tidy dog owner would say that. It also occurs to me that if you’ve spent 20+ years living with a smoker, your sense of smell is probably shot (even if you think it’s not), so you probably have no idea how stinky your filthy curs actually are.
TL;DR version - quit your bitching, you overprivileged idiot. Nobody is buying your argument, and several hotel employees have come in to explain why. You are a moron.
**curlcoat **lives in a world where not only is she a beautiful and unique snowflake who is the exception to every rule, but everyone else should *magically realize this *and therefore not require her to follow the same standards as everyone else.
Have you ever seen two dogs fighting over a bone? No this isn’t a continuation of the hotel charge rant, this is my day today. I’m the bone.
Normally I deal fairly well with multiple bosses as they have different areas of interest and the only conflict is usually my time. Wednesday I was assigned a task by one, yesterday it was amended slightly and in such a way that the person making the change made it seem that it was approved by all. Today it was made painfully clear that was not the case. TWO hours of text messages and emails before everyone calmed down enough to find a compromise.
The issue at hand… where two technical staff will sit on Monday. Holy hell people.
I don’t want to sit here and work.
I’d much rather do something fulfilling and worthwhile.
Personally, with her ‘you and your untrained dog’ rant at Meyer6, I can’t help but wonder if the only perfect dog would have to be shaved, wrapped in saran wrap, and equipped with disposable booties if the thing ever has to go poo.
Because that’s the only way a dog is not leaving any trace in a hotel room.
But this only applies to dogs owned by everyone else, of course, being as they are bad at training by obeying the laws of nature and all.
(Because her dog is trained not to shed and breath and stuff…)
(I’m very, very sorry. I didn’t mean to start this pet/hotel room debate. I wish I could return everyone to their previously scheduled minor rants about little irritations at work, but… Perhaps some don’t realize it, but when checking into a hotel, that little form you sign before receiving keys is an agreement that you will abide by a particular hotel’s policies. In effect? A contract. Even guests who don’t declare their pets affix a signature agreeing that they will pay for extraordinary damages to a room - whether it’s a toddler writing on walls with permanent ink, or a frat boy stepping on a pizza on the carpet, or pets in a non-pet-friendly room. Ordinary use of a room won’t incur extra costs, and the hotel has a basic “social contract” to accept service animals, and to basically suck up the costs of that particular type of use. If some folks don’t want to pay for the use of a pet-friendly room, it’s okay: Those folks are more than welcome to step across the street to a hotel that divides the cost across all of their rooms. Of course, even our room with pet access costs 25% less than their standard rate, but hey, stand on your principles if that’s what floats your boat.)
Thus endeth my participation in the “should I pay extra for pets” debate.
No, what I’m saying is that anyone who has as violent an allergic reaction as you say you do shouldn’t be going about without treatment as you are simply taking your life in your hands. It’s like a pedestrian saying they don’t need to watch for traffic because they have the right of way - all it takes is that one driver who isn’t paying attention. You can try to control your environment, and insist that others help you do it, but the time is going to come when there is going to be an animal nearby that you didn’t plan for and cannot control, such as a service animal on an airplane. OTOH, it sounds like all you have to do is take an OTC pill to control your symptoms? If so, it rather sounds like you exaggerated your allergy.
If you do really have allergies that badly, have you ever gone to the doctor to find out just what you are allergic to and how easily it can be treated? It would be highly unusual for someone with a severe inhalant allergy to one thing to not be allergic to other things. You also may not actually be all that allergic to pets, you just may be overwhelmed by those owned by friends who don’t vacuum often for example. But, no matter what, it still boils down to either you getting treatment, or trying to control the whole world.
Yes. I find it extremely difficult to believe that it takes $10 a night’s worth (and apparently that’s cheap) to vacuum up hair and dander, yet it doesn’t take that to clean up after messy humans like my previous examples. I also find it extremely difficult to believe that there are all that many people out there who are so allergic to only pets, and untreated, that they have a reaction in a freshly cleaned room. I stay in motels at least one weekend a month and some times of year far more often, and I do it on a corporate card so I’m easy to find, and I have never had a complaint, nor have I ever paid extra. This thread is also the first time I’ve ever heard of a motel setting aside separate rooms for pets, but since I almost always stay in a handicapped room I most likely am not staying in a pet room.
Also, a vast majority of motels have separate rooms for smokers and non-smokers, yet they don’t charge extra for the smoking rooms to “clean” them - why is that?
Because of my experience of the difference between myself and my friends staying with our dogs, and my experiences with various folks staying with children, or chaperoning a kid’s sports team, or the various drunks. Sure, there are people who are slobs with their dogs, but why are those of us who aren’t required to pay up front when those who are slobs without dogs are not?
Well, yeah, I suppose that was poorly worded. It’s more that they don’t see the bias in doing so, in automatically assuming that because there is a dog in my car, I must be leaving the room in a condition where it will need extra cleaning. I’ve been “tricked” by motels that advertise that they are pet friendly, only to find they want to charge extra - singling me out for extra charges doesn’t seem all that friendly to me.
Yeah, I’m not sure how on earth I’m supposed to figure out how to train my dog to never leave any trace of himself anywhere. If I knew how to do that, I’d just train myself to never leave any mess either, and then I’d never have to clean my apartment again!
But **curlcoat **seems to think that she’s the only one who knows how to own a dog - in other threads she’s basically told other people that they’re doing everything about dog ownership wrong (like walking them wrong), based on no information at all other than ‘this person is not curlcoat, therefore they’re doing it wrong’. I get that it’s the only thing that she’s any good at (although I’m not sure that she is), but it gets pretty tired. Dog ownership is not rocket science.
Hon, you should post on things you actually know about. There are so many things wrong with this post that I’m not even going to bother. I choose to believe that you purposely misinterpret and are not really that dumb.
Nobody said anything about not leaving any trace, the issue is whether it costs an extra (at least) $10 a day to remove that “trace”.
The rest of what you said was just as dumb as Meyer6
If they didn’t have interest in the debate, they wouldn’t keep posting. I have never understood people who get upset when a thread doesn’t go the way they want it to, and try to stop folks from posting things they aren’t interested in. Delusions of grandeur if nothing else.
Ooooh, you know how much I love it when you go with ‘hon’. It’s so scathing! And hilarious. Almost as hilarious as you thinking that there’s any evidence that you know anything about anything at all. I see you have no answer to my points (eg. you relized how dumb it is to claim that a well trained dog will not shed or drool), so I will accept your implicit admittance of defeat.
Wait, are you saying you use your hubby’s corporate card (it’s blue!) to pay for your own personal travel to your little dog shows? I can’t wait until his company finds out about that.