Workplace griping, anyone?

To clarify about my allergies: I take a rescue inhaler with me, but I hate using it, because it induces a kind of withdrawal to stop using it. That’s why I prefer to control my environment so I don’t have to use it. Beyond that, please don’t lecture me about allergies I have had all my life and have seen numerous doctors about, because You Are Not A Doctor.

For rest, I have come to the conclusion, at long last, that you are either unwilling or unable to deal with rational discussion in this area. If someone has a pet allergy, it’s their problem. Somehow hotels should be able to tell which animals are going to leave allergens behind, and which aren’t (as if!) so they will know whom to charge. Allergens are no extra trouble to clean sufficiently that persons with allergies should not be bothered. These are all views which you seem to hold. None of them are reasonable. You are not going to convince anyone that you are right; neither is anyone going to be able to convince you to consider yourself anything else but 100% right. I have never, and I mean never in my life, interacted with anyone who was as imperviously stubborn as you are; you never even seem to consider the possibility that you might be even a little bit off base.

You will forgive me, therefore, if I decline to interact with you further on this matter.
Roddy

Thank you for the advice, even though I didn’t follow it. I didn’t really expect to win, per se, but I thought I might induce some actual thought. That didn’t happen.
Roddy

Well, it isn’t meant to be either, so again you are misinterpreting what I write. The only question is if you do it on purpose or not.

I didn’t bother with it because you started from a false premise, i.e. that all dogs drool, which they don’t. Some breeds, such as St Bernards do, but most don’t. Also, shedding isn’t a big issue with many breeds - as I said previously, I tend to shed more than my dogs do and my cat outsheds all of us combined. But since you don’t have much background in dogs, you wouldn’t know any of this and since your only purpose here is to stalk me and repeat falsehoods, it just didn’t seem worth the time to respond.

Another falsehood - I said long long time ago that card was for a company he used to work for, and that he doesn’t have it any more. Not that I would ever consider charging personal expenses to a company card.

Also, that corporate card is not a credit card, it is merely a way to show the ID to get the corporate rate.

Well gosh, I didn’t realize that you would be so sensitive. No, I am not a doctor but I am someone who has had what were life threatening allergies all my life and who now doesn’t have to use an inhaler (altho I still carry one) to stop severe asthma attacks due to allergies. I still have what are technically life threatening food allergies but those are easily controlled. You presented yourself as someone that didn’t want to have anything to do with medicine to deal with your allergies, and I was merely pointing out that you could live allergy free - you don’t want to, that’s your loss but I certainly wasn’t lecturing you.

:rolleyes: If someone has an allergy that could easily be treated but they insist on going about demanding that the world adapt to their needs, that is their problem. You refuse to use medication to deal with your allergies, that is your problem - not mine.

Of course, I didn’t say that.

Didn’t say that either.

It would help if you actually read what I write and don’t use your bias to interpret it. Geez, you are as bad as Meyer6

Don’t care either way. People who have decided the rest of the world must bow to their needs tend to be bad company anyway. Those who take debate personally tend to be boring.

Like how you’ve decided that the rest of the world just has to deal with you and your little yappers, wherever you want to go? Just has to bow to you to the extent of taking special medication in order to sleep in a room that they’ve paid for, just so that you can sleep with a stinky puppy in your bed? Just because you’ve decided that people should drug themselves up for your own convenience doesn’t mean that they actually have to.

You live a life of incredible, and totally undeserved, privilege. The fact that you think you’re so hard done by anyways only speaks to your inability to appreciate that, and that’s why you’re such bad company that you have only your dogs to turn to in the first place.

Wow. Just wow. I thought you had hit the heights of what has to be complete misunderstanding of me, my opinions and my life and then you post this. You are so far off that I am now totally convinced that you just make shit up on the fly. Have fun with it alone as you now join SFG on my don’t bother with list.

This idea of “winning” always startles me. Do you all try to “win” IRL whenever you come across someone who dares to have a different opinion than what you have decided is “right”?

Also:

You should really get off your high horse about dog ownership, like you’re the only one who has done it. I get that it’s the only thing in the world that you feel you have experience in, but it’s not unusual and it’s not difficult. Everyone in the world knows that some dogs drool or shed more than others. What do you suggest, that the hotel should have a $15 charge for a St.Bernard but only a $5 charge for a beagle? Should the clerk inspect mutts to determine where on the scale they should fall?

Anyways, I’m done with this, I am going to follow Rodericks advice. Feel free to revel in this as a victory if you’d like, I know you have very little to feel good about in your life.

Powerpoint Slide Readers. That is, they click to each slide, and just read the entire text from start to finish, then go to the next slide and repeat, until there are no more slides. You see this in schools too.

People who present slides, but don’t make them available for distribution to the team members who were at the meeting.

People who delegate decisionmaking authority to a subordinate, then you, the worker, go to that subordinate to get a decision, then the supervisor comes around and tells you that you’ll have to redo the work because you were given the wrong requirements.

I work for an industry which is often maligned by environmental activists – bottled water. In fact, a local group has organized a protest march for this afternoon. It’s frustrating to listen to the wholly unreasonable demands this organization makes in order to “consent” to the continued existence of my workplace. Some gems include:

  • the water should be bottled in glass, not plastic. This is presumably to save oil, which we could then burn to haul all that extra weight around.

  • the factory should reduce its water consumption by 1.5% per year. This is reasonable, because that’s what a nearby city has managed to do. Never mind that nobody in that city is actually drinking less water – what they’re doing is using high-efficiency washing machines, and not watering their lawns with tap water. It’s comparing apples to oranges.

  • the water should not be shipped outside of the watershed it’s removed from. It’s already almost entirely kept within the Great Lakes watershed – but that’s not good enough. They want to keep it within the watershed of the much less significant local river, 2600 square miles of rural land with a population of about 800,000.

Of course, adopting any of these practices would quickly cause my employer to pack up and move elsewhere. This is the unstated goal of the activists, I have no doubt – the “fuck you, I’ve got mine” attitude so prevalent in human society. Bottled water is a maligned industry, and often for good reasons – carting millions of gallons of water across the world from a tropical Pacific island is patently ridiculous and wasteful, but bottling water from what may be the most water-rich region of the planet, and selling it for a reasonable price, is not the unsustainable ecological destruction it is portrayed to be. Yes, my local tap water might be among the best in the world, and so I don’t really need to buy bottles. That’s just not true for everywhere, though. And even many people here in my city are serviced by lead plumbing and can’t safely drink their tap water anyway. Is bottled water evil for them, too?

The fact is, despite this organization’s claims, my company is a major local employer. My wife and I are both employed thanks to its continued existence. My mom works for a company which has a major contract with mine; my brother does freelance work for that company and my dad worked there until recently. Close the plant and my whole family hurts, hard. The whole area hurts. This is one of the very few local employers which actually produces something of value. Tangible wealth. A service economy is great, I’m sure, except that it doesn’t actually increase the amount of wealth in society. Someone, somewhere, needs to produce some sort of stuff for the world to function.

It’s not just crazy whackjobs who are doing this, either. The mayor of the nearest city, the mayor of a nearby town, and other major local political candidates are trying to put us out of work. They want to kill a major source of local revenue based on half-truths and outright lies*, and they’ve got a lot of local support to do it. I’ve been out of work too often, I don’t want that again.

  • They make a lot of ridiculous claims, like “it’s only tested once every three years,” “it takes three times as much water to make it as it does to fill it,” and “it costs more than gasoline”. (I wish I could get gasoline at 33 cents a liter.)

:eek: What the hell city do you live in that still has lead pipes in it?

The municipal water mains (beneath the center of the roadway) are not lead, and have all been modernized. However, the water services (connecting a house to the main supply) in many older houses (pre-1960) are lead. Lead soldering was also used until 1990.

I can somewhat relate, Baffle, living in a city and a province that have a mostly oil and gas based economy, and a whole lot of our money is (and will be) coming from oil sands. Until we have safe and clean nuclear powered cars, all the friggin’ oil is coming out of the oil sands, and nothing James Cameron has to say is going to change anything.

I still think most people don’t need to drink bottled water, though. Sorry. :slight_smile:

All economy is service. There are no exceptions. Economeis demand some ration of products to services, and in truth, as it becomes wealthier, it will demand more of the latter. Goods are not “real wealth”.

Aside from which, while it might be silly to sell tropiocal isalnd water, it’s hardly more stupid than what you’re doing. It’s all the same in the end.

That said, my heart bleeds for you. If they do move, why don’t you suggest Knoxville to your employer. We’re not as big on bottled water here, but it sells pretty well and we live a damn temperate rainforest! Hopefully, whatever happens you’ll keep your job.

I think that the glass bottle thing is not for the oil, but to keep plasticizers from leaching into the water.

But I think the environmentalists are totally attacking the wrong end by fighting with you guys. If they think people are needlessly buying bottled water, they should be working on the people to reduce demand, not on you. Closing your plant down would just mean that they buy it somewhere else, instead.

Polyethylene teraphthalate isn’t really known for leaching into water. Unless of course you believe science is a conspiracy.

That wasn’t really meant to be insulting, I swear. It just sounds that way. :smack: Here’s my attempt at a serious answer:

I’ve heard of phthalates causing endocrine disruption, but though similarly named, that’s really referring to a different isomer (teraphthalic acid vs. orthophthalic acid). There is a minor concern with antimony, but studies show it’s an order of magnitude below a dose that should concern a human.

There’s also the possibility of benzene being present in recycled PET, and potential contamination with acetaldehyde, a fruity-smelling chemical that naturally occurs in ripening fruit. (It’s also one of the steps in ethanol metabolism.)

I have two beagles and I can assure you that they shed quite a bit so you might wanna charge that $15. They drool too, but usually only when they’re trying to guilt trip you into giving them a piece of your dinner. :smiley:

I grew up with a Saint. There is no money that can get some of that drool out of furniture. :smiley:

Hmmm, well how about $5 for one of those weird hairless Chinese crested dogs? Clearly we would need a dog expert to create a complex sliding scale to charge the correct amount for every kind of dog that shows up. Or we could devise some kind of shedding/drooling test to be performed in the lobby.

What about my cat? She sheds like a mofo AND she drools!