Would your child be allowed to date someone of a different race/ethnicity/creed?

Yes, I would.

Because I did.

And more importantly, my wife did too! :wink:

This is funny.
You are offended because I find your personal attack offensive?

In case you don’t remember: You had already a post made that comes down to a declaration that in your eyes every Muslim male is listed as the equivalent of The Most Beastlike Husband a woman can get.
That was already clear enough, but you found it needed to add that in your view Aldebaran completely fits that description.

Now you make of it that you judge “my behaviour” on the SDMB. Sorry, but can you make up your mind?
What is it:
Me being a man you never met.
Me being a Muslim you never met, but since I am and Muslim and a man I am by your definition treating women as second class citizens.
Me being the membername Aldebaran on the SDMB = also a Muslim and also a man you also never met.

By the way: Is it your habit to make up your mind about issues as complex a humans and human behaviour simply by observing “some men you know”, including a man you definitely don’t know yet you think to know because you read his posts on an anonymous message board?

I know a lot of men and women. Muslims,Christians, Jews, Atheists and maybe here and there someone who follows and other religion or non-religion.
If I had to make up my mind about all the groups or religions or cultures or nationalities they belong to by singling out what I don’t like in the behaviour of these people, I would feel sorry for myself.

But here you are declaring that in your view Muslim men are by definition designed to mistreat woman and that I am definitely one of them.
God… I truly wonder why my wives married me in the first place and secondly why they still are not ready to run away screaming for help. All these years they get beaten the life out of them, they are locked up behind bars, they have no say in anything but what I say they can talk about…And still no result.
I think I’m going to commit suicide.

By the way, maybe you can contribute your so unbiased informative view and wisdom on the subject in a thread that is open and running right now on this very forum:

An excellent occasion to come up with your interesting stories about your dear male Muslim connections. Maybe you can get a little insight in their behaviour because a certain Muslim man - who happens to know what he talks about - is participating in that thread.

Salaam. A

Of course not, you’re all terrorists! :wink: . You may well be a good person. Aldebaran runs around with a chip the size of Khufu’s pyramid on his shoulder, but I do too, so who am I to judge? That’s the beauty of the forums - the impressions we make on each other are based solely on our words, not our appearance.

You’re right, my choice of wording is poor. “Prejudiced” is a better word. I’m simply far less inclined to trust you until I know you, and less inclined to get to know you in the first place. Once I do know someone well, that knowledge supersedes any general preconceptions.

“Bigot” would probably better fit the kind folks who held me accountable - with fists and feet - for the unfortunate demise of their savior Jesus Christ some years back, or my dad, who makes PaulFitzroy look like the embodiment of tolerance.

And from where I stand, I do not see anything wrong with simple prejudice, other than its being rooted in ignorance at times.

Might I suggest that anyone who worries seriously about “forbidding” their daughter to get in a ployamorous relationship can pretty much check that one of your worry list? If, in mainstream American culture, your daughter has overcome cultural programming far enough to even consider such a thing, she isn’t going to listen to you when you start “forbidding” anyway. Your choices are pretty much suck it up and keep your daughter in your life or forbid away to empty air and no grandchildren.

And really, isn’t that true about much of the “forbidding” we’re talking about in this thread? Forbidding a young couple to date is nearly always the best way to ensure they get married.

WhyNot,
cynical polyamorous married chick

Woah … Aldebaran has wives?

More than one?

Did I miss a memo?

Aldebaran, how’s that working for you? My husband says one wife is difficult enough!

The thought of forbidding my daughter to date someone based on their race/ethnicity/creed is almost as ludicrous as the idea that she would pay any attention to my veto.

I would certainly be upset if she was involved with someone who treated her with a lack of respect (which encompasses everything from treating her badly to being intolerant of her views). Given her upbringing and character, I find it difficult to believe that she would choose to be with someone whose way of life was so incompatible with ours that it would upset me to the point that I felt I had to intervene.

If you truly believe that you can dictate who your child falls for, it strikes me that there is a problem between the parent and child. Any child worth their salt will date the forbidden person behind the parent’s back, which immediately hinders the parent’s ability to help in case of problems.

As far as I’m concerned, my child can date people of any race and ethnicity she chooses. If she chose to date a violent racist, on the other hand, I would not be happy - in part because I would see this as signs of psychological problems on her part.

If my kids are anything like I was, what they’re “allowed” to do really won’t be much of an issue. Granted, I’d be sad and a little scared if they started dating a person whose ethical stance differed wildly from my own–if, for example, they behaved well only out of fear of consequences in the afterlife, that’d squig me out, or if they believed in criminalizing behavior I consider harmless (such as abortion, sex between consenting adults, etc.)

But nothinga bout the person’s genetic makeup is going to give me much pause for thought.

Daniel

Totally agree with this sentiment. :smiley:

Having said that though, and to answer the OP directly, I’d be pretty much a hypocrate to tell my children they can’t date someone of different ‘race/ethnicity/creed’ as my wife is a white blonde (German/Irish roots) from the North Eastern part of the country and I’m a black haired dark eyed hispanic from Mexico. :wink:

However, its going to be grim for ANY male trying to date my little girl reguardless of their skin color or religion…or anything else for that matter. My boys though…they are on their own. :wink:

-XT

Mr. Moto, I have a huge problem with religion (specifically christianity, for purposes of this discussion). For myself. That’s why I don’t subscribe. I have a huge problem with certain christians that goes far beyond myself. I’m talking about hate speech and marginalization. I’m talking about the way they treat women as second class citizens, asking their wives to defer to them, refusing to let them become leaders in the church and blah, blah, blah. I’m against christianity as a secret subset of our government. I’m against having to trust in the christian god every time I tip a waiter.

Ms. O’Hair was an asshole, but it cannot be connected to anything external. She was simply a pain in the ass. Many christians treat their bretheren with disrespect (and worse) specifically because of their religion. This is by their own admission.

Well, you certainly wouldn’t have to be concerned with their religious beliefs! One less thing, ya know?

Kalhoun, I’m against the same things you listed, which is why I’m an Episcopalian Christian. I don’t have kids, nor am I likely to, but I’d have more of a problem with my neice or nephew dating someone who was an idiot of the same background as them than I would a reasonably intelligent person of a different background. I had my chance to date a nice, reasonably intelligent guy who even went to the same church I did. Hell, I did date him once and only once. I’ve also dated a self-professed “secular humanist” once. The reason I only dated him once has nothing to do with his religion and a lot to do with him being boring. I’d rather my nephew date an ethical Wiccan or atheist than an unethical Christian.

On the other hand, my mother gave me much the same speech WhyNot’s did, and she does have a point. When I was involved with my church’s Diocesan Commission on Racism, I heard stories about interracial couples facing predjudice in church. (Changing that prejudice is one reason I joined the commission; my bishop’s own prejudice is the reason I resigned from it.) On the other hand, if I refuse to date someone just because of how others will respond to him, then I am the one being prejudiced, and that’s one vice I have no desire to try.

By the way, since the topic of sexism was just raised, if it’s not a hijack Scylla, xtisme, you’ve talked about men trying to date your daughters; why nothing about women trying to date your sons, if any?

CJ

Aldebaran’s in a multi-spouse situation? Who knew?

Well, I can’t answer for Scylla. For myself all I can say is we all have cultural baggage and blind spots…and this is one I still have. In hispanic societies its usually the mother who worries about who the son’s date (and marry), while the fathers are supposed to be overly protective about their daughters and look out for them.

I like to think I’m really past all that, and what I wrote was MOSTLY a joke…but I’m honest enough with myself to know I’ll be very critical of whoever tries to date my little girl. There are some other reasons too which are personal and I don’t want to get into in any depth…I’ll just say that my little girl is our only surviving daughter, she is the baby of the family, her birth was somewhat of a ‘miricle’ in the fact that it happened at all, and that I’m overly protective…and so are her big brothers. I pity the man who tries to date her.

-XT

You’re kidding…right? You were shunned by your own race? But the shunning didn’t cross racial lines? Does your mate know you only married him/her because he/she would have you?

My sentiments exactly. That’s why I would hope certain christian types are never involved with my son.

I am badly double-oppressed and in addition to that I have also a daughter. Little as she is, she learns every day more and more about The Force of Women United.
In a few years time I shall be that desperate that I come to count on her brother to rescue me. (He now still thinks I am the one who can protect him…Thus are the happy innocent illusions of a child’s mind.)

But this thread made me happy, because it made me think about it that maybe I am in this precarious situation because of my own duality. Not full Arab, not full EU’er… It always worked confusing for my family (nobody ever asked how confusing it is for me) so I guess it is most certainly confusing for my wives. Maybe they are simply trying to find out - on an innocent female way - how far they can drive a EU-man while they are oppressing the Arab half of him. Who knows? I certainly wouldn’t dare to ask.

Salaam. A

You all can call me bigoted if you like, but I truly don’t believe I’d allow any son of mine to date a lesbian.

See? I knew the ones I don’t have a problem with would understand what I was talking about! Thanks for helping to clarify it to others.

Yeah, well, as if the lesbian’d have him.

Ultracynics might comment that cultures of patriarchy are coming back into fashion. But until white women begin binding their feet I’d say there’s little cause for concern. :slight_smile:

FWIW, I was in Vancouver 2 summers ago (home to a large and highly influential Chinese population), and I noticed Asian-female/non-Asian-male mixed couples much more often than vice versa.