Y'all hate me...but you know I'm right

[Textual_Innuendo]

Oh, lord. Did I commit thoughtcrime by not being sufficiently pro-Democrat and stridently anti-Republican enough?

@Little_Nemo

Nope, I’m not buying this nonsense. Obviously the Democrats aren’t perfect but they are not in the same ballpark as the Republicans. If you think the two parties are anywhere near equal then you’ve been drinking too much right-wing kool-aid.

No, I don’t think they’re equal, and in fact in the same post likened the R’s platform to comic-book-villain caricatures of evil. As I said below the part you quoted, yes we absolutely need to vote to put this fire out.

My point was broader, and that’s that even if we all vote to put the fire out in sufficient numbers that it’s actually put out, we’re still in a fundamentally shitty situation regarding our politicians, our political system, and our federal institutions.

And most of that shittiness isn’t up for ever getting better barring very unlikely and very drastic changes in the electorate and/or current political institutions. For those subsets of things I called out which ensure our leaders are always multi-millionaire kleptocrats, it’s worth pointing that out and getting mad about it if we’re ever to even attempt to change it.

Not “both sides do it,” but “one side is extra bad right now and we should do something about it, but there’s this other HUGE thing wrong with the whole system that’s also worth doing something about.”

@septimus

Do NOT spread the pro-Trumpist message “It doesn’t matter anyway; just stay home on Election Day.”

That’s not the message I’m trying to spread, I’m more communicating a personal fundamental pessimism about the quality and redeemability of the US political system. I don’t think actually fixing even half the gigantic systemic problems it has HAS a solution reachable from here, no matter how you try to get as many decent, rational people to vote as you can. But by all means, yes, vote! Vote to put out the flaming dumpster fire that is the current administration to whatever extent possible!

It’s definitely better to just be chained to the wall, versus chained to the wall and on fire. But both those options fundamentally suck, and I don’t think pointing that out is collaborating with the enemy.

[RTFirefly]

@Anny_Middon

Something I’ve been wondering – can a sitting SC justice be indicted? If so, and he is convicted and sent to jail, what happens?

I suspect that lying under oath is not a jailable offense, but ISTM that there’s something hinky about the Drunkard’s finances. If it can be proven he was bribed, jail time is certainly possible.

@Gyrate

Perjury is certainly an impeachable offense, as a certain recent President discovered. Whether it leads to jail time depends on the materiality of it; like Clinton, a civil suit resulting in a fine and disbarment would be a more likely outcome if perjury and obstructing an investigation were found to have occurred.

But this, of course, is all speculative at this point. And would require a much more heavily Democratic Congress than even the most optimistic projections of the midterms can produce.

Unlike the President, a Justice can be indicted and convicted while in office. Impeachment is not a necessary precondition.

Under Federal law, perjury can be punished by up to 5 years in prison.

[Little_Nemo]

@Textual_Innuendo

Oh, lord. Did I commit thoughtcrime by not being sufficiently pro-Democrat and stridently anti-Republican enough?

No, it’s not a crime. And it definitely doesn’t involve thought.

Here’s your choice. Donald Trump is President. Are you going to do anything to change that?

If you want to do something, go out and register. And then go out and vote. And vote for Democrats.

If you do anything else, you’re helping Donald Trump. It doesn’t matter if you’re out there wearing a MAGA hat at a Trump rally. Or if you’re sitting at home to protest the American political system. You’re helping Trump either way.

Do you want to just complain about things or do you want to change things?

[TimeWinder]

@Little_Nemo

Have the elections for next month been cancelled?

For tens of thousands of mostly Democratic voters, yes, they have, via those patently unconstitutional “voter ID” and “cleaning the voting rolls” laws that are nevertheless on the books. Most won’t even find out the election’s been cancelled for them until they show up at the polls are and turned away or vote a “provisional ballot” that–funny thing that–gets challenged forever and never gets counted. Hundreds of thousands more have been gerrymandered into irrelevance.

Has martial law been declared?

If you’re asking this, I assume you’re white and Christian, or living in a blue state. Hell, we’re deporting CITIZENS now because they’re insufficiently white.

And a stolen, corrupted judiciary allows this to happen. A corrupt congress actively aids and abets it.

[Huey_Freeman]

@madsircool

Because they would lose power the next election and the Reps would further pack the court.

Says who? Says Ofmadsircool? Says you? I have to admit that it’s pretty fucking impressive how you white conservatives got these white liberals scared to death. You tell the white liberal “We’re going to riot if you take away our guns”, “If you pack the Court, you will lose the next election”, or tell them a blatant lie like “Dianne Feinstein leaked Dr. Ford’s letter to The Intercept” and these white liberal clowns back the fuck off as if you were the Archangel Gabriel himself. These white liberals are softer than fucking a roll of cottonelle - as evidenced by white liberals continuing to aid and abet this President even after he’s plunged this country into turmoil. Pussies. All of them. If we had a real Democratic leader, we’d be in month 9 of the government shutdown.

Savor their softness while you can.

In the not-too-distant future, the plurality of white folks vote won’t carry national elections. When this happens, people of color will kick these pussified white liberal leaders out and take control of the Democratic party. And, best believe, we will run this shit much better than Nancy Pelosi and more ruthlessly than Mitch McConnell. Just to fuck with the GOP, I hope we elect someone ridiculous like Mabel Simmons (D-AL), Dwayne Johnson (D-CA), or Jorge Ramos (D-FL) as Senate Majority Leader to forcibly strongarm our agenda through Congress.

Half-kidding aside, the OP is right, though. The country is dying and is the laughing stock of the world. This is because, in my view, whiteness has become an existential threat to the country. This is a whiteness issue (and white folks too blind to see). Keep this in mind: when neo-nazis and counter protesters scuffling in the street, people of color are not there. We are not there. This merits repeating: We. Are. Not. There. It is white folks who are punching, screaming, shooting, silencing, and abandoning each other over politics. Not people of color. Oh, by the way white folks, getting rid of Trump won’t help much, he is the symptom, not the problem/disease. White folks need to huddle and figure this shit out for the good of country (Haha, sike, ya’ll too selfish put the welfare of the country above ya’ll hatred of people of color; so down the drain we all go). At first, my hunch was that white folks were pulling a Mr. Meeseeks - “I’m white, I’m the country’s forgotten man, look at me”; now, instead, I think that white people know they are on their way out to irrelevance so they are burning the country to the ground - “If I can’t have it, neither can you”.

Good. Let it burn. It’s your legacy, not ours.

[drad_dog]

@madsircool

Cable isn’t regulated by the FCC. Not gonna happen.

But, if it were, MSNBC would have to give equal time to conservative voices.

Your attempt at regulating political speech is odious.

I would like to see a conservative show up at MSNBC to debate his issue. Everyone who watches that network wants that. ANd no one is scared of it. It happens every now and then already if you watch. It’s much more fair than the treatment the fox news liberals get.

[Gyrate]

@octopus

Wow. Where’s iiandyiiii with his lecture on how dangerous dehumanizing language is? And DNA testing to vote? And calling people apes? Imagine the ATMB threads if that language was applied to the left.

You’ve gone full Der Trihs.

@Gyrate

You sound triggered. Do you need a safe space?

@octopus

You can do better than that. Weak!

I can. The problem is that, apparently, you can’t.

@Little_Nemo

But these were all things that came out during the hearings. The Senate had a chance to take it under consideration and chose to confirm Kavanaugh. (And I want to emphasize I strongly disagree with that decision. But it was legally made.)

I feel we should accept this decision and not seek to overturn it in the future. If significant new information emerges, that wasn’t known at the time of the confirmation, then that could be grounds for impeachment.

Fair point. However, there was little investigation into Kavanaugh’s perjury because there was little appetite to pursue it. And I doubt there will ever be unless a larger skeleton emerges.

[split_p_j]

I agree with the OP as well, there is no turning back from this. The supreme court is now clearly partisan. The rule of law is dead, no longer any place to turn to with grievances.

Our fate will be sealed in November, the will not be a blue wave. I deal with people that love Trump everyday, there are way more of them then you think. They believe Trump is looking out for the white man.

This is the end of the U.S. as we know it and it’s going to get ugly. I’m glad to be 46 and single.

[Paranoid_Randroid]

@split_p_j

Our fate will be sealed in November, the will not be a blue wave. I deal with people that love Trump everyday, there are way more of them then you think. They believe Trump is looking out for the white man.

Not to diminish the seriousness of the political situation in the US, but… so what? I work every day with people that hate Trump. The last election I was surrounded by pro Trump signs; now there are many pro Democratic yard signs. Should I conclude that Republican support is at a new low? No, because it’s a mistake to naively extrapolate from anecdotes and personal experiences.

Democrats will probably win the house, they will probably lose the Senate, and will more likely than not win the white house in 2020. The damage is done, yes, and it hurts, but the evidence is on the world limping along for a while longer at least before armageddon.

[CaptMurdock]

@Shodan

From your article Seems pretty accurate to me.

Regards,
Shodan

Find the crayon marked SHOCKED and color me with it. :rolleyes:

[madsircool]

@split_p_j

I agree with the OP as well, there is no turning back from this. The supreme court is now clearly partisan. The rule of law is dead, no longer any place to turn to with grievances.

Our fate will be sealed in November, the will not be a blue wave. I deal with people that love Trump everyday, there are way more of them then you think. They believe Trump is looking out for the white man.

This is the end of the U.S. as we know it and it’s going to get ugly. I’m glad to be 46 and single.

This could be a circa 1937 Republican screed. Or a response to the Warren Court. But this Court has yet to make a single ruling. Calm down.

[split_p_j]

@Paranoid_Randroid

Not to diminish the seriousness of the political situation in the US, but… so what? I work every day with people that hate Trump. The last election I was surrounded by pro Trump signs; now there are many pro Democratic yard signs. Should I conclude that Republican support is at a new low? No, because it’s a mistake to naively extrapolate from anecdotes and personal experiences.

Democrats will probably win the house, they will probably lose the Senate, and will more likely than not win the white house in 2020. The damage is done, yes, and it hurts, but the evidence is on the world limping along for a while longer at least before armageddon.

I’m just saying that the Trump base is far larger than people think, it goes way beyond people wearing MAGA hats and putting signs in their yard. Most of the people I deal with I would never think would be Trump fans. it doesn’t come out until you really dig deep when talking to them.
I’m talking about unionized people happily voting for Trump and the whole Republican agenda, even though it will hurt them. They are happy Kavanaugh was confirmed even though his record shows he sides against labor time and time again.

They are at best indifferent to the kids being separated at the border.

It’s over, there is no happy ending to this.

[split_p_j]

@madsircool

This could be a circa 1937 Republican screed. Or a response to the Warren Court. But this Court has yet to make a single ruling. Calm down.

Come on, we know what kind of “rulings” will be made by this partisan court. That’s the problem IMHO.

Who the fuck is going to abide by any ruling this farce of a court makes? The rule of law is gone, you will see with the first test case the Alt-Right brings before this joke of a court.

[octopus]

@split_p_j

Come on, we know what kind of “rulings” will be made by this partisan court. That’s the problem IMHO.

Who the fuck is going to abide by any ruling this farce of a court makes? The rule of law is gone, you will see with the first test case the Alt-Right brings before this joke of a court.

That’s a serious melt.

[RickJay]

When the Republicans outperform the polls by a shocking amount in November while thousands of Black and Hispanic voters are turned away because of surprising voter roll abnormalities, asahi will look rather prescient.

[Paranoid_Randroid]

@RickJay

When the Republicans outperform the polls by a shocking amount in November while thousands of Black and Hispanic voters are turned away because of surprising voter roll abnormalities, asahi will look rather prescient.

We’ll see, I suppose. Although voter suppression exists I would be surprised to see such a major and conspicuous disenfranchisement push even in this political environment. There’s not much to be done prior to that happening, though – certainly pining for a left leaning Napolean to rise up and compel reform won’t solve anything.

[Try2B_Comprehensive]

Didja see the Georgia pit thread? The GOP purged 10% of voters from the rolls.

[Slash1972]

@Try2B_Comprehensive

Didja see the Georgia pit thread? The GOP purged 10% of voters from the rolls.

If those were all Republican voters, wouldn’t that be a good thing?

[Try2B_Comprehensive]

No.

[Ulfreida]

@Banquet_Bear

…Trump actually is the stupidest man on the planet. The stupidest man on the planet is in charge of the most powerful military machine in the history of the world. The NYT alleged that the president of the United States of America may have committed millions of dollars in fraud and that story didn’t even last a couple of days in the news cycle.

There are actual white supremacists embedded deep into this administration who are doing their darnedest to make America white again. Every single day the White House broadcasts lies and propaganda. Just today the Senate Judiciary Chairman agreed that George Soros was helping to orchestrate the protests against Kavanaugh.

For the love of god you cannot compare conspiracy theories with actual fucking conspiracy theorists. The conspiracy theorists are running the US fucking government. At least the people “panicking” actually seem to have an idea of what the fuck is going on.

What Banquet Bear said.