To be fair, easier for us without gun ownership as enshrined in law.
But what also happened was that the shooter didn’t get the media attention and name exposure he likely wanted… the terrible event itself did, the victims did, the community reaction and support did, but he largely didn’t.
I still couldn’t tell you his name - I know it’s out there now, but it’s not what was important about the tragedy.
It’s kind of sad the way I think about these things now, if two or three people ultimately die, I tend to think: what an amateur!
Well, my thoughts are the conservatives/republicans are morons and my prayers are that they all get kicked out of office. Hasn’t happened yet.
As long as the fucking NRA keeps giving money to fucking politicians who accept it, we will will never get true changes with guns and gun control.
The shooter shot himself in the head and is in critical condition. I don’t really expect answers.
I was just reading the wrap-up from the late local news.
Quote from one student, paraphrasing: “I always assumed I’d panic when it happened to me, but I was able to stay calm and help my teacher protect my classmates.” A child felt good today, because her worst nightmare came true, and she was able to help. Never mind that no one did a damned thing to protect her.
And that’s what broke through my numbness.
I’ve tried to minimize for my kids - for their mental health and mine. My BABIES have active shooter drills. Like I had fire drills. My little children have learned to hide, to run, to be quiet in a corner.
I’mma quote a little nursery rhyme from Lewis Black: “Hickory Dickory Dock, quit sucking the NRA’s cock.”
Fuck the thoughts and prayers. Pass laws. Enforce laws.
Eventually, some day, there will probably be improved gun control. I just shudder how many are going to have to die for it to finally start to happen.
As long as it’s happening in middle- or upper-class areas and mostly to white or Asian kids, it’s news. Otherwise - does anyone remember THIS mass shooting, which included casualties at school?
There is that saying: If it bleeds, it leads. :dubious:
The junior high I attended in Des Moines had a shooting in 1972, and even though I went there just a few years later, I never knew about it until I saw stories about it on that school’s Facebook page. (Nobody was shot, but several kids were slightly injured from jumping out a first-floor window after he fired a rifle into a wall.)
About 10 years later, there was a murder/suicide at another school, when a boy who sounded like an incel-in-training killed a girl he had relentlessly harassed for a couple of years, and then turned the gun on himself. A longtime friend of mine was that girl’s best friend, and said that every time her family went to the authorities, SHE was told that SHE had to stay away from him and leave him alone :smack: ; AFAIK, nobody other than her parents said anything to him about knocking it off and leaving her alone. His father was a prominent local lawyer, which was quite likely a factor.
This book was written by the father of a Parkland victim; I saw an interview with him on C-SPAN 2’s “About Books” and it appears to be the product of a RWNJ press and he sounds like a trainwreck in progress himself.
(Won’t get in under the deadline)
The one thing he did say that I agreed with was that the (alleged?) shooter had no business living outside a mental institution, let alone being in a public school. Mainstreaming is not appropriate for many people, for a multitude of reasons.
Think of the US as a creature. Examine statistics of this creature’s behaviors - its deeds, not its words. This creature is addicted to violence, especially via firearms. By objective measures, this creature hates facts, children, women, queers, non-whites, non-elites, and non-believers. This creature kills what it hates. Are we surprised?
Many many people are better than that. It’s wrong to judge the whole country on the actions of some.
Mammals are composed of zillions of cells with varied DNAs. What we do personally is not what each of those components does individually. The US is comprised of many many fine folks but what this nation does - actions, not words - is beyond our individual reach. The nation hates and kills, even if YOU don’t.
I’m not judging the US by individuals. I look at the collective numbers. Sad.
What the fuck are you even talking about? You sound like a Google Translate result gone wrong.
what’s so scary is this school is only 45 minutes from me … in fact in the early 90s i almost went there…
My 2 cents?
Not that it’ll change anybody or any laws.
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Me? I’d go with the Get Real. 1) A gun has never ever jumped up & shot anyone. It’s a tool -period. Constitutional law has designed it for to keep our goverrnment in-check. And to keep foreign invading governments out. Look @ Switzerland’s history; every man & household is legally required to have & to know how to respect / use a gun. 2) Parents are legally responsible for their children. Until a “child” is of an age of accountability, it’s on the parents. {It’s the way it was yet is no longer} 3) Morals within society today make death of no big deal. Movies, video games, the removal of life from an infant / abortion, etc. 4) Meds / Narcotics that twist & distort the brain / biochemistry into a passive yet deceptive state. Maybe even never to return & develop into “normal”. Put a developing brain, a child on such & yea, big oooops! Why it’s called “practicing” medicine? Because nobody really knows what they are doing? Check out the now historical facts of such shootings & the meds, there there. Perhaps whom ever writes out the perscriptions (usually shrinks) can be held more accountable? Lawsuit? Loss of “license” to “practice”. Firing squad?
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People seem to only talk of the dead. & yes, to die before living life is sad. WAY sad. Especially when taken by force.
As for the wounded, my heart goes out. A bullet ripping through any tissue is never 100% repairable. Like a wrecked car -never the same.
You are right that Switzerland has a high rate of gun ownership compared to much of Europe and it is highly regulated.
Even so, would you care to guess where Switzerland is on the european table of per-capita gun deaths?
Here’s a graph with the rate ofgun deaths per 100,000 people, showing the US, Switzerland, and Austalia. The US has the most guns, and lax regulation. Switzerland has a fair number of guns, but fairly strict regulation. Australia has few guns, and strict regulation.
Here’s the rate of private gun ownership, same countries.
Here’s the overall homicide rate, any method, the same three countries.
More guns and looser laws make for more death. Period.
I see. So if I may summarize, gun violence is caused by abortions and prescription drugs. It’s not caused by guns, which everyone must have in order to overthrow governments they don’t like and keep out invading foreign governments. And psychiatrists should be shot.
It’s always good to have some random illiterate join just in time to set us straight on these matters.
The solution is incredibly obvious. What you do is put 50 cal autocannons in every hallway and classroom in America. The top student in each class gets to operate the autocannon in each classroom. The hallway monitors and/or top students in the school get the hallway cannons. End of problem.
As a side benefit, neither the government nor the Queen of England, will ever think about invading any American schools.
In general terms I suspect this the case but of course it won’t be a straightforward relationship for all countries.
My own opinion is that past a certain saturation point of guns (possibly handguns in particular) you have the potential for a relatively violent society to make use of that easy access to firearms.
Switch to a more peaceful society generally and number of guns may have a less drastic effect.
For the USA though you have something of a perfect storm, a country with plenty of violence and in which it is very easy to gain access to a gun and ammunition. The number of guns is well past saturation to the point where even taking a couple of hundred million off the streets is probably irrelevant.
Perhaps the most shocking statistic I can find is from this data.
Of course the number of guns/capita in the USA is insanely high, twice as high as the next country. Even more amazing though is the fact that for every 1 registered weapon there are about 400 unregistered weapons. To get any comparable figures of lax control you’d have to go to places such as Sudan, Niger, DRC, Ivory Coast, Mozambique.
Is that a cause? don’t know. Does it help? I suspect not.