You Know Who You Are

Hear hear!

It’s taken me a long time myself to get out of my own little box, in part because it was something that had to happen when I was ready, and not before. It was a major epiphany to me (and it seems so obvious now) that those voices of bullies I was still hearing fifteen years later were not real, that they were just echoes in my head from all those years ago. Once I accepted that on a fundamental level, there was no going back.

(Sorry to blather on about this but, as per the OP, I’m taking the opportunity to vent on a topic near and dear to my heart. I’m not really this dreary in real life. :wink: )

P.S. Thanks, Manda JO. Glad you liked it. :slight_smile:

Matt,
you snipped out the bit where i said that pain is real, whether it’s psychic or physical. Unlike Stoid, I am not blowing off or dismissing Euty’s pain. I know how badly it hurts because I’ve been there. Because I have been through serious hell in my life and have come through it, I feel that I could advise Euty and others, as John Corrado, said, there’s a way out.

If you have a problem and it is hurting you, take action. Don’t let the jerks win.

I stand by what I posted in Stoid’s thread because she offerd nothing constructive, just a blithe dismissal of people’s suffering. That is absolutely NOT what I posted.

Huh? Matt_mcl and Stoid courteously agreeing to disagree? In the Pit? Next thing you know, pldennison will be cyberhugging Jodi!

Sounds like people are taking seriously Tubadiva’s urging to “play nicely now.” And we can’t have that!! :eek:

Oh, and **Matt{/b]? You’re challenging goboy’s consistency? This is the same goboy who, over in the gay orgy thread in MPSIMS a couple of weeks ago, was, um, er…

Well, resorting to Gore Vidal’s stylisms, “He was gently massaging your Kennedy with his O’Connor, while he vigorously thrust his Rehnquist in your Scalia.”

No wonder you keep posting Pit threads about how your sex live sucks! :smiley:

Euty, my own little version of teenage angst-hell was Chariho (remember, when the school cancellations on snow days went out, we were always the second ones on the list after Foster-Glocester). A school named after a concatenation of Charleston, Richmond and Hopkinton. Go, chargers. Woo.

The best part about going there? It didn’t have a football team.

Graduated in '83, went on to Rhode Island College. Just as prestigious an educational institution, but again… no football team.
Sometimes I think the football-free environment made it possible for me to survive my education.

So, where’d you go, Euty?

Yep. That’s exactly what I did.

:rolleyes:

stoid

I havent’ the faintest clue what this means, but since it’s coming from She Who Howls At the Moon…I’ll accecpt it as a good thing. :slight_smile:

Le Stoid

Go back as far as you want, honey. Make a list, and post it on the fridge. Start with the most current and go from there.

We will get to it as soon as Cristi and I have finished defrosting the freezer, and you and Beth have finished…whatever it is you are doing. :slight_smile:

Scotti

I brought a gun to school once.

Yeah, it was when I still combed my hair the way my Dad wanted it combed.

It was only a CO[sup]2[/sup] pistol.

With a fresh cartridge, it could fire a BB at seven hundred fifty feet per second. And since it held sixteen BB’s that fired as fast as one could squeeze the trigger off, I could have made quite a few people jump before anyone knew what was going on.

But I only wanted one guy.

All sixteen BB’s had his name on them, etched with careful precision by the man who wrote the Lord’s prayer on a drawer he carved into the side of a dime.

At least, it would’ve been cool to have them personalized that way.

All for him.

Someone who everyone was afraid of because he was over six feet tall and on the wrestling team and he reminded me of a young Clint Eastwood who brought bourbon mixed in with his Big Gulp to Saturday school.

Someone who challenged five people at once to fight him and everyone backed down.

Someone who really, really disliked a friend of mine because my friend couldn’t keep his mouth shut because he had a HUGE inferiority complex and put everyone else down because of it.

I kept the gun in a backpack with a small hole in the corner for the muzzle.

And when I took it into the men’s restroom to clear the oil out of the barrel after the cartridge had gone in, I didn’t know there was an errant BB left in the chamber.

Sucker bounced off the tiles in the corner, flew back and planted a black welt with a yellow ring around it right square on my thigh.

I laughed aloud as I hopped around on my good leg because it really, really hurt.

And I did not shoot anyone that day, much less the guy who I didn’t want to shoot anyway because I knew it was my friend who was the idiot, but out of a wayward sense of loyalty to the guy who was an underdog like me.

I brought the gun to shock the hell out of my friends, having absolutely no concept of the penalties I could have faced upon discovery. I brought it for power, for prestige, and to gloat silently as the weight of it hung on my shoulder from class to class. No one would suspect a thing.

I was in the know. No one else would dare be so bold as to bring a ‘Finalizer.’

No one else would pretend to be as crazy as I would in order to get attention.

No one else would be so envious of someone with such confidence that not one but FIVE people backed down when challenged.

No one else would hope that someday he could be like that guy with such intensity that he actually tried to one-up the impression of the icon by having the ‘balls’ to bring a loaded weapon to school.

No one else.

Feces and chiggers.

Of course others would.

Heck, the dude himself kept a hand crossbow in his Nova…AND a Co[sup]2[/sup] pistol.

True.

How do I know?

The next day I approached him and said, “I brought a BB gun to shoot you with yesterday, Eric, but I shot myself in the leg. I wanted to apologize because I was stupid.”

And guess what he said.

“Cool, man. Hurts, don’t it?”

He grinned, shreds of Copenhagen just visible above his lower lip line.

I smiled and nodded vigorously.

And from that moment on, we were friends.

Yeah, storybook ending.

Except we were still messed up. His Dad still beat him and he still drank bourbon in school.

I still perpetrated socially unacceptable acts (taking all the toilet paper in the school hostage for a week, for instance) to get attention. And when I became ‘popular’ myself, it wasn’t a volitional occurrence, or even a conscious result of my efforts in Drama.

I had no idea how many people thought I was utterly arrogant and unapproachable—only because I had no idea they even paid attention to me, so I didn’t talk to them.

Girls spread around that I was ‘bad in bed’ who I’d never even been alone in ANY room with, much less a bedroom. When I confronted them, they said they’d ‘heard it from someone.’

And then said, ‘Hey, you finally talked to me.’

I don’t know why I’m posting this. There are all sorts of similar stories. Conjugate:

I’m messed up
You’re messed up.
He/she are messed up.
You all are messed up.
We’re messed up.
They’re messed up.

. We all lived the damn ‘Breakfast Club’ and adhered to our social comfort zones, pain being the common denominator that brought us together, and we’d recognize it only when we picked our heads off the ground long enough to look someone else in the eye.

It still goes on, doesn’t it?

As adults, we’re not immune. Some of us would still love to bring a BB gun to work and plant one in our supervisor’s self-righteous tuckus. And some of us still bury our heads, certain that someone else is better than we are and hating them for it. Or fooling ourselves into thinking everyone else has a problem.

Where does it end?

Does it end?

Well, I think it can. But…where do we start?

Not we.

Me.

It starts with me.

Hey ladies and gentlemen, here I am.

See me?

Cool.

Because I see you.

And I’m keeping my head up, this time.

North Kingstown, back when it was still a Navy town.

Go Skippers!

And you were planning to do WHAT with the Crossman, blind him because he couldn’t kill you if he couldn’t find you? :wink:

Good God, we were all so stupid when we were that age. About all we can hope for is to get over it at some point and grow up. Put those jerks behind us once and for all. It’s time for that, Euty. They’re out of your life and can no longer hurt you. Were you to meet them now they would probably be ashamed of their conduct, if they remembered it–or you–at all.

<dropzone lapses into a reverie>
OTOH, I went to the doctor once with a particularly pernicious case of dandruff. (Wife worked for the clinic so the visit was free–what the hell!) I expressed my embarassment at wasting the doctor’s time with something so minor when there were people who were actually sick in the world.

“Yeah, but it still itches, doesn’t it?” asked the doctor.

I know that I was unusual when growing up. In grade school I can remember my whole class hating me in the 2nd grade, I even remember one kid who I didn’t even know come out of nowhere and tried to start beating me up. I would walk around just thinking about stuff instead of playing with other kids. Middleschool, living hell on earth. Highschool, I’ve: been called a genius in my math classes(because I occasionally taught either the entire class or just the kids around me everything that the teachers couldn’t explain, except for geometry, stupid proofs), been liked “for my uncaring additude”(if someone insulted me I would go to sleep, and even though I slept through the entire class I made an A on a test while others were studying and making F’s once, and am deemed “really smart” in compuers.

I also have been said to have “demon eyes” and to “look like a insane terrorist who would kill you as soon as look at you(which was probably true at the time, except I opted for the easy way out and ignored them)” so I guess I might have intimidated a few people. Didn’t realise that till just now too. I always mostly tried to ignore everyone and figured they would do the same to me.

And Stoid, if people find what you say infuriating simply because you said it don’t you think you need to work on the way you say things? Blind unreasoning hatred doesn’t come out of nowhere. Besides, from what I’ve noticed people don’t care enough to hate you. If you post on a thread where you act reasonable most others are too. Its just when you do things that add nothing to the discussion, but are extremely annoying. Like when faced with an arguement, instead of refuting it with facts you just say you didn’t and roll your eyes. Or in political threads you simply say “high five” or “you go”. Which is annoying people who want to actually debate.

This not only is a very long thread, but an unusual one in that no one has really lost it and started flaming what others have said. Generally speaking the advice has been good and if Euty and the rest of us listen, it will be benefical. Not being particularly religious I think this ironical, but I do have one bit of advice: Forgive them and you will feel a great weight has been lifted from your shoulders.

That is absolutely brilliant, kniz, and I am completely sincere. What we usually forget is that the hate, the anger and the resentment that we hold in our hearts towards others harms us a thousand times more than it harms the others we feel that way about, if indeed it ever harms them at all. We have no control or choice about how others behave, but we control completely our reaction to it.

Bravo!

stoid

How’d I miss this one.

I had this friend when I was in middle/high school. She was a decent girl, really. I liked her…but no one else did. I had my own small circle of close friends, and I brought her into it. I got harassed a lot by some of my not-so-tight friends for being a friend to this girl, and even my close friends would say things about it occasionally. Then there were the times that I would get picked on for other things–being a band geek, having red hair, having hips and breasts instead of being tall & thin, being a drama geek, not wearing designer clothes…

Every so often, I would lash back. Unfortunately, when I chose to do that, I lashed in the wrong direction. I lashed at the girl. Why? To this day, I do not know. And to this day, I still feel guilt at the way I treated her.

I learned something from it, though. As I grew up, I often wondered what happened to her. I still wonder. And I use the memory of how I treated her as an example to myself of how NOT to treat other people. My personal creed is “I refuse to think that you’re an asshole until you prove to me that you really are.” I don’t listen to gossip. I don’t dislike a person just because everyone else does.

I had no reason to be mean to that girl. None. She never wronged me in any way.

I just hope she made it out alive (she was two years younger than me), and I hope she’s getting her revenge on all of us by living well.