You ruined my Friday, you selfish pregnant bitch!

I get upset when people cry around me. And even more upset when they cry over something I said or did. And more upset still when they’re full of shit and I can’t say so because I it would be “poor customer service”.

This woman called yesterday trying to enrol in a birthing education class. She’d looked at our website and saw that the class she wanted was full so she couldn’t sign up online. Could I please put her into the class? (She started politely).

I explained politely that we don’t overfill our classes. There are only so many tables and chairs, and it’s already a snug fit with 12 pregnant couples and a teacher in a room for 3 hours straight for 7 Wednesday nights. While we do occasionally allow a 13th couple in, it’s to a single session because they can’t make it to some session on the night they are originally were booked for.

Besides, she was due November 3, and the class ended just a week before her due date, which is too close. We wouldn’t have stopped her for that reason, of course, but she was calling way too late. Every one of our 7 week classes was filled.

But I had other options to offer her. I told her about our two-day weekend course on labor and delivery, and two other one-night courses on breast feeding and infant care to get the same information as the 7 week class. She could even take a one-night “basics” course that packed as much as we could into 4 hours, for people who have serious time commitment problems.

Now she got angry. “My husband only has Wednesday nights off. He’s the general manager of one of the biggest restaurants in town – maybe you’ve heard of it – XXX (a national restaurant chain). We can’t take weekend classes, or anything other than Wednesday nights.” AFAICT, it seemed she thought the place might burn to the ground without his presence.

I then suggested she could come without him and/or bring someone else as a birth coach. That REALLY set her off, and she begins to alternate sobbing with shouting. You mean to say I have absolutely no options?" Actually, I offered her several options, none of which she would accept.

Then she started asking about the other couples in the Wednesday class. Could we look up their due dates, and ask a couple with a later due date to move to another class to make room for her? That was the first point in the exchange that I let my exasperation showed as I said, “There are no circumstances under which we would ask another couple to reschedule for your convenience, ma’am.”

Then she asked whether couples in the class are delivering at other hospitals, because she was delivering at our hospital and should have priority over couples delivering elsewhere. I told her that we don’t know where they plan to deliver, we don’t even ask. She said, “Don’t you think you shoud?” That was the second time I violated an unwritten policy and delivered a flat “No” response (‘Nos’ are supposed to be delivered by management). But I said, “No ma’am, our classes are open to the general public, and I think that is a pretty good policy,”

Finally, to my relief she demanded to talk to my manager, and I transferred the call. I talked to my boss later about the second conversation, and was pretty pleased that she backed me 100%. The woman told my boss that I was “unsympathetic and so matter of fact that it was disturbing”. My boss congratulated me – the last person I sent along had called me “rude” (my boss has heard my half of many similar conversations and knows very well that I’m not rude to customers). The two comments above I made during the exchange were about the rudest I’ve ever made, and I upset in retrospect that I even made them. But my boss brushed it aside after I repeated my comments. She said, “Boyo Jim. I had to tell her myself that we would need to continue this discussion some other time after she calmed down. I tried to explain that her reasons for being in that Wednesday class were no more or less important than every other couple in it, but she didn’t get it.”

My boss did correct my language once. Later in the day when I described the woman as a “nutcase” to another staff person, my boss said that “overly fretful pregnant woman” would be a better turn of thrase, to which I had to agree.

I wish I had the… I don’t know what… strength?.. serenity?.. to let this kind of thing wash over me. But I don’t. I feel shitty and guily for hours, even though I did absolutely nothing wrong. So maybe my title is wrong – maybe it’s more accurate to say I fucked up my own day by allowing myself to empathize too much with the troubles of emotionally disturbed people.

Nothing better than pitting a woman whose hormones are going crazy.

Works for me,

:rolleyes:

You know what ** Reeder**, most of the rest of us manage to find birthing classes and sign up for them in time that it doesn’t become someone elses emergency. Most of the rest of us even manage to deliver without going off on random strangers who we want to help us. Yes of course the hormones are going nuts. The simple fact is that she put it off till the last possible moment then made it his problem that she didn’t plan anything. My guess is this is a habit with no relation to her pregnancy.

You did nothing wrong and your own emotional response is completely normal. You did everything you could for her and none of it was good enough because you didn’t do exactly what she wanted. It’s not your fault or your problem that she waited until 6 weeks before her due date to get her shit together. Raging hormones don’t mean her brain stopped functioning. Stop beating yourself up.

I don’t think that hormones are an excuse to be a controlling, egocentric, manipulative bitch. Pregnant women might be somewhat more emotional but there is no radical change in basic personality. My wife would cry at the drop of a hat but she did not suddenly become selfish and bullying. I actually think it’s a little sexist to imply that hormones render women incapable of controlling their emotions and decisions.

And speaking of hormones, have you ever seen a guy with a full on testosterone rage? Come and observe me when I’m driving in rush hour traffic or watching the Vikings on television. I am still responsible for my actions, though, and no one would say that my hormones should me any sympathy if I acted like an asshole.

Boyo was nicer to that woman than I would have been.

You really are a complete fucking asshole, aren’t you?

I agree with Diogenes. I hate it when women take their pregnancy as an excuse to be a bitch to everyone they come in contact with. I made it 9 months without ever even sending my husband out to the grocery store in the middle of the night for that food craving that I just *had * to have. Pregnant women aren’t as fragile or as looney as they’re made out to be, some women just perpetuate those stereotypes.
I can’t believe she actually asked you to move someone else to a later class so that she could have their spot.

Oh bullshit. I’ve had customers act the same way who weren’t pregnant.

Being pregant isn’t an excuse for being a total fucking spoiled princess.

Now run and play. Hasn’t Bush done something to piss you off this week?

I’'ve been in this job about 3 years, and no one has ever so much as siggested this before. And she even managed to figure out 2 different rationales for why we should bump sombody to make room for her.

One of my co-workers, more kind-hearted than me, suggested a rationale other than sheer selfishness. She thought perhaps the husband was uncompromising and unwilling to make any adjustments to her pregnancy. He was apparently unwilling to take even a weekend off to learn about pregnancy and infant care, which at this time are probably the most overwhelming facts of her entire life. Her behavior could be seen as a reaction to an unsupportive spouse and her desperation to involve him in her pregnancy experience.

That make a good deal of sense to me.

Yeah…I’ve been having hormonal birth control issues for a while now. Doesn’t give me an excuse to be a raving overbearing bitch to anyone I come in contact with, and for that reason I watch it when I’m having a bad day.

I’ve been pregnant too. I was underweight to begin with, lost weight (lost 25 pounds my first month. I am 5’8", and only weighed 130 pounds to begin with, medium bone frame) at the start of my pregnancy, and then proceeded to gain 50+ pounds from 6 months to 9 months during my pregnancy, so I was dealing with hormones and carrying 50 pounds of more weight than I’ve ever carried in my life, during one of the hottest Chicago summers on record, no air in our car, and no central air in our apartment.

Still didn’t give me any right to be a raving bitch to people, or expect them to turn other pregnant people’s schedules around for me.

Guinastasia,

I gotta admit, this was perfect pit form;

“Hasn’t Bush done something to piss you off this week?”

Bravo! pointed, individualised, and damn it just plain funny.

It’s been my experience that the way people treat others when they’re under stress is still pretty much in line with the way they tend to be anyway. People who don’t normally act shitty find it very hard to do so, and people who often do act shitty are quick to do so. If someone is sweet, polite and considerate, they will still behave in a civilized and more or less polite way to others even when things aren’t going their way. If they are spoiled, willful and demanding and accustomed to confronting people in order to get their way, they will behave that way even more when they are under stress.

Your co-worker may have been right, Boyo Jim, about her husband not cooperating with her and that this might be contributing to her stress level, but the fact that she was so inventive in her efforts to find ways to push someone else aside, and that she was so demanding and confrontational in her efforts to get you to comply, make me think that this type of behavior isn’t that much out of the norm for her. While she may not actually be a bitch, she certainly seems to have no qualms about acting like one to get her way. I’d just chalk it up to being one of the hazards of having to deal with the public and get on with my life if I were you.

goggles

What?

Actually you’re already getting too much time im Boyo’s perfectly good theard, but…jeez!

He KNOWS her hormones are going crazy…that’s why he feels guilty. He still needs to vent because he feels guilty when he has absolutly nothing to feel guilty about. The reason for this whole thread is he’s TOO concentious, it seem to me.

How anyone could not understand that is beyond me.

Don’t feel guilty Boyo…I know how you feel, I feel like that with difficult customers and they’re not even pregnant.

You should have offered her to call Midwives ‘R’ Us for her.

If I were a pregnant woman with raging hormones and a problem, Reeder would definitely be the person I’d turn to.
Yeah, Boyo Jim, why can’t you be a kind sympathetic magical problem solver like Reeder?

Sounds like you did a wonderful job of handling a very difficult caller. I can’t imagine what it would be like to talk to pregnant women day after day.

When I was pregnant and for a while afterwards, I was occasionally, sometimes unpredictably, a raving lunatic. Once I stopped breastfeeding I went on medications. It was my responsibility to deal with my problem, but I think a certain amount of craziness on the part of pregnant women is inevitable and understandable. Dealing with all of the physical changes and with new motherhood can simply overload your system. A person only has so much energy and something has to go - I’m more assertive and less of a people-pleaser now that I have twins to care for.

Those of you who are in the business of dealing with pregnant women are carrying an additional burden of diplomacy. I applaud your tact.

It’s really not all that different from fast-food work versus other kinds of retail jobs. Take the general public & lower their blood sugar and things just get ugly from time to time. I don’t agree that people who lose it are flawed and terrible; we all have the capacity to be assholes, and once in a while it happens.

I would be very worried about having a baby with a man that is too busy to make room in his schedule for 1 class. I wonder how much time he thinks the actual baby will take up?

I don’t think I have behaved like this during my last or current pregnancy. You are perfectly justified in pitting this woman, Boyo.

Besides, she shoulda registered a month ago at least.

No. It’s a LOT sexist.

I presume that Reeder will oppose military service by women of child bearing age…or rule out voting for women of child bearing age, right? We can’t have unstable wimmen-folk in those kinds of situations.
Unless…he’s…you know…a hypocrite.

Just thought this bore repeating because it’s just so darned true. And, if part of the problem was the husband’s schedule and rigidity, then she surely knew that and should have been extra careful to plan their class in plenty of time to account for his schedule. I have two kids, BTW, and never took a parenting class (nor a labor and delivery class) for either of them. I spent most of my first pregnancy overseas (in the Navy, stationed in Sicily) and didn’t come back to the US to process out of the Navy and give birth until very late in my pregnancy. By the time I got to my hometown, I had less than a month to my due date and couldn’t get a spot in a birthing class. I didn’t act like the pregnant woman in the the OP when confronted with this news, of course – it wasn’t their fault I missed the deadline to schedule a class. I just read some books and hoped for the best. My husband was back in the US for our second pregnancy and we would have taken a birthing class, but our duaghter was born at 27 weeks – a month before our birthing class was scheduled to begin.