To be fair to the other poster, we do live in a society of unprecedented economic globalization. That creates unprecedented interdependencies among nations.
Maybe a lot of people just like fireworks and hot dogs. The fact is that there’s a significant segment of the population that claims to love their country while hating a lot of the people in it. Donald Trump is an actual thing, as much as we all wish he wasn’t, and his zeal to kick out all the Muslims and Mexicans is an actual thing, too, and it has a lot of support.
Or, indeed, by folks who’d failed to vote at all?
I was curious about the same thing but can’t find any mention that it was tracked (which would take more research. This information came from Google trends rather than from actually talking to the people making the searches, I gather).
“The Fourth of July” is not about culture. Come on.
And yes, we do live in a global(ized) society. At least, any economic discussion that pretends that national economies can be isolated from each other is going to be nonsense.
You should probably explain what you think the word “culture” means, if it is not to include the traditional celebrations and diversions that occur on certain occasions in certain subsets of humanity.
DaphneBlack:
Sovereignty is meaningless in a global society. It is delusional to think we can walk back from that. We need to work in the reality that exists.
The idea of “national culture” is, and always has been, bullshit. People like people who look like them and speak like them, it’s nothing more sophisticated or meaningful than that.
In this reality, the facts contradict you. Cite: a $7 globe.
wolfpup:
National sovereignty isn’t xenophobic, but using it as a dog-whistle term to condemn immigration and immigrants and blaming them for all your troubles certainly is. And that’s very much what Brexit was about . And by “backlash” I presume you mean the rise of Donald Trump, whose bigoted demagoguery reflects almost exactly the same phenomenon.
I mean and meant because I’ve been cognizant of the danger of a backlash for quite awhile the rise of right wing nationalism primarily in Europe and Asia. Trump is a surprising manifestation of populism.
Like St. Patty’s Day and Cinco de Mayo! Damn straight.
That sentence isn’t English so I have no idea what it means.
If “populism” is defined as “anti-intellectual counterfactual bigotry” and the blind faith in the demagoguery that promotes it, then yes. Same as the “populism” in 1930s Germany. The Brexit vote, Trump, and pre-war Germany all have these same common factors: lies and the use of lies to exploit fear and disillusionment.
Well, one should not ignore the backlash the right wing fools are inciting.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClvPIHlXEAAUW-S.jpg:large
wolfpup:
That sentence isn’t English so I have no idea what it means.
If “populism” is defined as “anti-intellectual counterfactual bigotry” and the blind faith in the demagoguery that promotes it, then yes. Same as the “populism” in 1930s Germany. The Brexit vote, Trump, and pre-war Germany all have these same common factors: lies and the use of lies to exploit fear and disillusionment.
Mr. Godwin would like to have a word with you.
Uh huh
Godwin’s law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as censorship, fallaciously miscasting an opponent’s argument as hyperbole when the comparisons made by the argument are actually appropriate.[9][10]
It does not mean that one has won a discussion, mostly that the longer it goes the chances of hearing about Hitler increase.
That’s all fine and well, but beside the point. Comparing Brexit and Trump to the Nazis is fucking idiotic.
Not really.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/this-is-how-fascism-comes-to-america/2016/05/17/c4e32c58-1c47-11e6-8c7b-6931e66333e7_story.html
What these people do not or will not see is that, once in power, Trump will owe them and their party nothing. He will have ridden to power despite the party, catapulted into the White House by a mass following devoted only to him. By then that following will have grown dramatically. Today, less than 5 percent of eligible voters have voted for Trump. But if he wins the election, his legions will likely comprise a majority of the nation. Imagine the power he would wield then. In addition to all that comes from being the leader of a mass following, he would also have the immense powers of the American presidency at his command: the Justice Department, the FBI, the intelligence services, the military. Who would dare to oppose him then? Certainly not a Republican Party that lay down before him even when he was comparatively weak. And is a man like Trump, with infinitely greater power in his hands, likely to become more humble, more judicious, more generous, less vengeful than he is today, than he has been his whole life? Does vast power un-corrupt?
This is how fascism comes to America, not with jackboots and salutes (although there have been salutes, and a whiff of violence) but with a television huckster, a phony billionaire, a textbook egomaniac “tapping into” popular resentments and insecurities, and with an entire national political party — out of ambition or blind party loyalty, or simply out of fear — falling into line behind him.
It’s the same thing. It’s enormously tempting. Anyway, the echoes you can deal with on two levels. First of all, there are the kinds of themes Trump uses. The use of ethnic stereotypes and exploitation of fear of foreigners is directly out of a fascist’s recipe book. “Making the country great again” sounds exactly like the fascist movements. Concern about national decline, that was one of the most prominent emotional states evoked in fascist discourse, and Trump is using that full-blast, quite illegitimately, because the country isn’t in serious decline, but he’s able to persuade them that it is. That is a fascist stroke. An aggressive foreign policy to arrest the supposed decline. That’s another one. Then, there’s a second level, which is a level of style and technique. He even looks like Mussolini in the way he sticks his lower jaw out, and also the bluster, the skill at sensing the mood of the crowd, the skillful use of media.
I read an absolutely astonishing account of Trump arriving for a political speech, somewhere out West I think, and his audience was gathered in an airplane hangar, and he landed his plane at the field and taxied up to the hangar and got out. That is exactly what they did in 1932 for Hitler’s first election victory. No one had ever seen a candidate arrive by plane before; it was absolutely dazzling, the impression given, the decisiveness of power, of authority, of modernity. I suppose it was accidental, but wow, that is an almost letter-perfect replay of a Hitler election tactic. And the capacity of Trump to enlist working-class voters against the left is exactly what Hitler and Mussolini were able to do. There are definitely echoes.
Forgive me if I find opinion pieces from liberal rags as less than compelling proof.
One that was interviewed there was Isaac Chotiner, a historian of fascism.
Roger that. Color me unconvinced.
BTW this item should not be forgotten, it is even more relevant as it became more clear that Trump was controlling his Tweets more than it was assumed.
So today, this happened. Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump (yes, him again) re-tweeted the following blatantly racist graphic: "@SeanSean252: @WayneDupreeShow @Rockprincess818 @CheriJacobus pic.twitter.com/5GUwhhtvyN" — Donald J. Trump...
So let’s recap. The leading candidate for the Republican Party’s nomination for president is tweeting absolute nonsense with a blatantly racist slant.
But where did this graphic come from? My first thought was that it must have originated at a white supremacist website like Stormfront, because it really is that bad. But neither Google Image search nor tineye.com found it posted at any websites. Google Images did, however, find the earliest tweet in which this horrible racist image appeared:
(I saved a screenshot in case it suddenly goes missing.)
UPDATE: Sure enough, it went missing, so here’s that screenshot:
Here’s the bio of the person who posted it:
Notice that he’s an admirer of Hitler:
And his avatar, that looks like a modified swastika, is the symbol of the neo-Nazi German Faith Movement.
So there you have it. Donald Trump is posting racist imagery that comes directly from neo-Nazis.
I hope you’re not surprised that a guy like Donald Trump, who continually spouts fascist rhetoric, is attracted to fascist memes posted by neo-Nazis. This is where the right wing has ended up in 2015.
The point was only to demonstrate that the reasons for seeing Trump as a neo fascist (just to be more accurate) are not imaginary.
From County Cork, eh? Didn’t Ireland leave The UK in 1921? Does that make the Irish short-sighted, reactionary dickheads? If not, why not? what’s the difference?
Same goes for Scots who want to leave the Union. Why is the UK leaving the EU such a terrible decision, but Scotland leaving the UK is Independence?
mascaroni:
From County Cork, eh? Didn’t Ireland leave The UK in 1921? Does that make the Irish short-sighted, reactionary dickheads? If not, why not? what’s the difference?
Same goes for Scots who want to leave the Union. Why is leaving the EU such a terrible decision, but Scotland leaving the UK is Independence?
AFAIK Scotland’s idea is to then be free to join Europe.