Look, he is just really good at that ring toss game and he promised to win me one of that giant Dora the Explorers for my kid.
I think the search party should take a good hard look at all the carnies. Some of those guys operating the tilt-a-whirl or manning the knock-em-down booth look like they might be escapees, too.
I just hope that this one minor mishap doesn’t leave a blemish on the broader practice of taking violent insane criminals on field trips to to county fairs.
His medication should be wearing off right about now. Just in case anybody wanted anything else to worry about.
Fortunately the killer has a change of clothes if that happens to him.
I hope he has a change of underwear, 'cause Momma always said how embarrassing it would be to be captured in dirty underwear.
Didn’t read the link, as I heard the on the radio Friday. Speculation then was that he might be headed toward his mother’s house. I don’t remember where she lives.
“Now mother, I’m going to uh, bring something up…”
I just knew he had Mommy issues.
On the bright side, any people out there with training and experience in managing institutions for the criminally insane should find some employment opportunities opening up in the Spokane area shortly…
Man,
This is just giving me a hankering for some twisted Johhny Cash sounding song about an insane killer / hobo and his life on the road / lamb.
“You chose a child molester’s jam!”
How about The Doors?
There’s a killer on the road
His brain is squirming like a toad…
Oh, wait. It’s been done.
How about:
*Took a killer to the fair
Now he isn’t there
Field trips for the insane?
Who thought of that, again?
If you let him pet the goats
He just might cut their throats…*
I wanted the freedom to go on forever
Have I stayed too long at the fair?
I wanted the clown to be bloodily cleavered
Have I stayed too long at the fair?
The music has stopped and the victims must die now
Have I stayed too long at the fair?
Oh, mother dear, I know you’re very proud,
Your little boys in jail stripes is so lost in the crowd
No, mother dear, you never could have known
That I would be murderous, and so very much alone…
I wanted to live in an emerald city,
With slaughter and hate everywhere
I wanted my friends to be chilling and shivvy,
I wanted somebody to scare
The merry-go-round is beginning to taunt me,
Have I stayed too long at the fair?
There’s nothing to win
And there’s jailers who want me
Have I stayed too long at the fair?
Others, such as QtM can speak more knowledgeably about the nexus between the people who in 1980 we would have simply labeled as, “insane to an extent they aren’t compatible with living in normal, open society,” and people we now label as, “criminals that need and deserve punishment who also just happen to have a laundry list of psychiatric diagnosis which we’ll provide marginal care for in prison.”
We have a penal system, we have a vastly reduced and enfeebled system to care for people with serious psychiatric disorders that render people unfit to live like normal people without supervision, and we have a legal system designed to occasionally prevent people that do illegal things from going to prison but instead going into the mental healthcare system. In my opinion, the inpatient mental healthcare system isn’t and shouldn’t be oriented around punishing the mentally ill. Which means making an inpatient mental health hospital, even an inpatient mental health hospital designed for the “criminally insane,” not the same as the prison. If that means making some occasional forays into the community for normal activities like a county fair, so be it. I’m willing to tolerate an exceedingly small risk to the community from people like this escaping supervision and actually harming someone compared to the rights of the mentally ill to receive therapy rather than punishment or therapy so similar as to be indistinguishable from punishment. If this guy does become psychotically unstable in the near future, he’ll probably be easy to find and bring back to supervision in short order due to his disorganized thoughts. It’s not like he’s going to up and start stabbing people left and right; his prior murder seems to be related to a complex set of paranoid beliefs about a woman being a witch, and its unlikely that he’s going to significantly harm someone before we find him again.
These are complex issues ill-suited to a circle-jerking RO thread like this one, but the fact that insane people occasionally get to do normal things isn’t insane at all.
No, are you insane, what if this murderer took God forbid your child as a hostage? If a criminal is really insane he shouldn’t be allowed out at all. If straitjackets are necessary so be it.
This probably illustrates why criminals should executed soon as they’re convicted after an appeals trial. The other interesting but rather horrible alternative I have is that a bomb be tied to the prisoner if they are say taken to the county fair and that it be detonated if the prisoner escapes and is missing. Speaking of that why the hell didn’t they even have an ANKLE BRACELET?!?!
Because, of course, there’s no middle ground between the two of your proposals, right? :rolleyes:
As far as I’m concerned, both of you are fucking mentally ill if you think those are reasonable ideas.
Back to the OP: wouldn’t a facility have to get legal permission for this, right? Or can they just come up with this on their own, to hell with the law? :eek:
They feel more at home/ fit in better there? Its probably why it was so hard to catch him too: All he had to do was hotwire a pickup truck from the parking lot & it would be like trying to find the lone Coy in a Goldfish pond.
St.Anger, is that you…?
Hell, I think insane (and just crazy) people should be out and about alot. I seriously mean that.
Its the VIOLENTLY insane/crazy that shouldn’t.
A guy who murdered his cheating wife? He aint much danger to anyone at the county fair. The woman who killed her husband for the insurance money? Not either. The drug dealer who shot someone in a deal gone bad ? No real threat either.
People that kill for the hell of it and are crazy/insane/whatever. THOSE are the real threats to society IMO.
Thank you for saying this more eloquently than I could have. The whole point of the “not guilty for reasons of insanity” defense is that people who are so ill that they don’t know what they’re doing should not be punished for being ill.
That said, yes, some better supervision should have been kept on this particular individual given his history of violence (and not just against the woman he killed).
You read that thread too?