Anytime, dipshit.
More here: http://www.activistchat.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3661
The Islamic judge even took it upon himself to tie the noose around the girl’s neck. Also apparently the girl was not executed by “regular” hanging (breaking the neck) but was lifted slowly into the air – a protracted and very painful death by slow suffocation. Ahh well. Gotta love Sharia! Stoning and slow strangulation all brought to us by the mercy of the Religion of Peace. Gah!
It makes rats ass difference whether it’s laws or not, actually worse, as it just codifies despicable acts. Even so lets not pretend the laws in Iran are enacted in a democracy. They’re ruled by a bunch of camel-shagging Islamic mullahs regurgitating fascistic laws of paedophilia, misogyny and anti-Semitism that were considered barbaric in the Middle Ages.
Fuck Khomeini. The culture of Islamic fascism should be wiped out! In Iran as it should everywhere. But saying the Islamic fascism currently riding Iran like a mare is equivalent to the whole of Iranian culture is insulting to say the least. Persia has a long and proud tradition of cultured enlightenment and restraint. The Islamic fuckheads currently in power is an abnormality that should be cut out like a lump of cancer.
So, say someone locks their elderly mother in the basement, confining her against her will to a place she doesn’t want to be, so that they can spend her Social Security checks (or whatever the NZ or European equivalent is).
The person gets caught. Is it now evil or stupid to confine that confine that person, against their will, to a place that they don’t want to be?
Certain acts are either
A) Bad, no matter what
B) Good or bad depending on why they’re done
C) Good or bad depending on the degree to which they’re done.
Your country, your neighboring countries, and Europe as well seem to be saying that all killings/executions go under group A.
OK, I notice that pretty much all of you guys have a military. Why? Those people have guns, and tanks, and planes with bombs, all to kill people. If All killing is wrong, aren’t you guys just as wrong and barbaric for have a military?
I ment to add the words “in jail” to “The person gets caught. Is it now evil or stupid to confine that confine that person, against their will, to a place that they don’t want to be?”
Yeah there is. It certainly is okay to kill a murderer. In fact, I would even support the killing of rapists and corporate thieves.
However, that’s only if we were absolutely certain they were guilty, which is impossible. Killing someone because they had sex and killing someone because we are pretty sure we think they may have killed someone are not too different.
ummm…. I think you’re confusing a military able to kill anything bigger than a mole with the sensitive forces currently fielded in Europe who’d get their asses kicked by an average sized American high-school girl hockey team. Not that there’s anything wrong with locking your ma in the basement…
Actually the last poll I saw (no cite) had about 40% of Western Europeans in favour of execution versus 60% Americans (US). Those 20% really makes for all the difference don’t they?!
What?
- Lame joke
- 20% does not make for solid foundation to build a moral high ground on. With inaccuracies etc. it seems Europeans and Americans thoughts on state executions are not so different. Perhaps the difference lies more in that Europeans are more likely to excuse politicians not doing the peoples will?
- Fuck you Opal! (this being the pit)
Ok, think I get what you’re saying now.
As an ex Worldcom investor I must admit that it would be satisfying to execute corporate thieves but I don’t really think I can go that far. 
If perfection is your criteria for applying the death penalty then obviously it isn’t going to happen. OTOH, I disagree with the “we are pretty sure they may have killed someone” portion of your response. In most cases we are a lot more than “pretty sure” and in those cases the guy should get the DP. Humanely and quickly and without torture or degradation. More like someone would put down a dog with rabies. Obviously, we’re going to disagree on this.
Best regards
Testy
I hate to interject some facts into this when some people in general are having so much fun with the specious comparing of the US death penalty to yet another Sharia atrocity against women, but like many people who don’t live in the US you’ve assumed in ignorance that the death penalty is universal through the US. In fact, 12/50 States do not have the death penalty at all, and neither do the quasi-States of DC and Puerto Rico. In addition, New York’s death penalty was ruled unconstitutional this year, so until the State constitution is changed, most likely they will no longer have a death penalty. Six States have a death penalty on the books but have not applied it since it was re-allowed by the USSC. Neither, it seems, has the military.
Yes, some Federal crimes have the death penalty, as well as some military ones, but there are large portions of the US where there is no death penalty in force for any regular crime (murder, etc) as one defines it. So kindly stop saying “America” and “Americans” in the generic sense.
Which is basically what I meant with my “extirpate” comment. Sorry if there was any confusion. I have had a number of Persian students over the years, and they have all been wonderful people. I feel that the religious/governmental dictators in Iran should be treated exactly the same as the Aztecs were. Wiped from the face of the Earth as an affront to all that is right and proper. But it really needs to be the people of Iran who do this for themselves.
That’s still not happened in the case in point. She was executed because the judge got his shorts in a knot because she spoke her mind. The bigger picture is that he was allowed to do so . I don’t pretend to know why that is so but it is my suspicion it would boil down to the his inability (or more correctly his lack of desire) to separate religion from law. Why bother to call him a judge? Why bother to call it a court? A travesty all around.
What–is our missionary program not working in Iran? :eek:
You ASS!!!
I’m against the death penalty, too, but the people we kill are for the most part murderers. Whole different kettle of fish and don’t fucking pretend it isn’t.
This is such bullshit. All you reactionary rightwingers come swooping in here to lump the leftist call for cultural tolerance in with the execution of a 16 year old rape victim. Riiiiight; it’s just exactly the more leftwing among us who are more likely to condone this kind of act.
What a bunch of assholes.
So, jjimm, are you FOR the Iranian execution? Hunky-dory by you, is it?
Declare yourself if you have the guts.
I guess then the only solution is armed rebellion, a civil war. Afterwards, they can round up all the judges and so-called “holy men”, and give them a taste of their own “justice”. That’s what it will take to clean house. But who takes over then? Another dictator? Another bunch of religious fanatics? One post nailed it. The system did not work. A judge was allowed to kill someone over his own bloated sense of importance (or something) and the system let him do it.
It has been stated that the world would be a better place if that culture was extirpated. I agree. Be disturbed.
Nazism was a culture, too. Japan circa 1930-1945 had a unique indigenous culture which we shamefully destroyed, citing minor things like the Rape of Nanking as our justification, among other things.
But we mustn’t EVER object to other cultures, must we?
I couldn’t disagree more. If she had been tried for killing some innocent person and then executed, I would have been unhappy at the imposition of the death penalty, but I wouldn’t think the Iranians who did this were a bunch of barbaric pigs – which is my opinion. I’d just think they, like many Americans, don’t understand that a society ought to be better than its murderers.