7 Jan 2021 and beyond - the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol

Politics & Elections
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Nice. I have a couple of comments, though.

First, I think you missed one …….The DOJ Insurrection. The firing of Bill Barr. John Eastman, Jeffrey Clark, and Mark Meadows plotting to send a untruthful letter on DOJ letterhead telling the state legislatures that the election was corrupt and that they should meet to invalidate the results. The pressure campaign to get senior DOJ officials like Jeffrey Rosen to sign onto the letter, culminating in Trump threatening to fire Jeffrey Rosen for not signing on to the letter.

This plot intersects with both the White House insurrection plan and the State government insurrection plan, but I think it qualifies as an insurrection plot on its own. I actually think this plot is the most legally actionable one of all.

And I would split what you are calling The Legal Insurrection in two…one part being Guiliani’s legal insurrection and the other part being the Sidney Powell, Lin Wood, Patrick Byrne and Mike Lindell effort - The Crazy Insurrection

The Crazy Insurrection had actually been in the works for a couple of years, started by ASOG and Richard Ramsland. The theories — rigged machines…Venezuela….Italian vote flipping……smart thermostats changing votes….had actually been kicking around in development for a couple of years, at least….just lying in wait for a candidate that would go to the wall to challenge their loss.

If you can stand it, Patrick Byrne’s own 6 part account of the insurrection, which feels about eleventy-gazillion words long, is on his Deep Capture website in all its pompous self-aggrandizing glory, with details of some bizarre quests to find the fraud that you won’t find anywhere else. He also talks about the team going to Florida, uninvited, to crash the Mar-a-Largo Christmas and how the security guard thanked him for his election fraud efforts as they were unceremoniously escorted off the property.

At one point Trump, as the star of this very special episode of the Apprentice, assigned the crazy team to work with Guiliani…….who was mostly drinking and filing futile technical challenges to election law.

But I’m still classifying them as two separate plots.

I think is very important for everyone to recognize - as you have done- that the insurrection wasn’t one single unified effort, but multiple schemes that were sometimes loosely coordinated and sometimes in competition with each other. This clusterfuckiness created a lot of confusion and inconsistencies that some people are using as a defense……for example, the storming of the Capitol worked against some of the plots while advancing others.

Nice analysis, though……good luck with the debate. Is is being zoomed?

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I’ll amplify what Ann said (that’s “Me too” using a slightly larger vocabulary), and ask also if it will be recorded and posted?

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No, sorry, it won’t be. And before I oversell this meeting, it’s a weekly Meetup group called “Thinkers & Drinkers” where we meet weekly, drink & eat, and debate a single topic in a round-robin format. Someone has questions to throw out and we go from there. I called it a ‘debate’ more for linguistic shorthand reasons.

Anyway, on some topics, I just sometimes take it to the nth level. It’s the Doper in me.

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I’m beginning to think that some of the rioters aren’t the best at impulse control or considering personal consequences…

2753

It’s nice that the court acknowledged defense counsel’s efforts to continue to professionally represent a complete dumbass.

2754

That excuse would be valid for all those morons.

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Leopard, face, etc.

2756

conspiracy charges are happening finally. oath keepers (10 or 11) are being arrested/charged.

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About freaking time! And sedition. I’m trying very hard to keep my maniacal grin in check right now.

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Does one conspiracy charge imply others are forthcoming? Or can a single person be charged with conspiracy, with no other people being charged with same?

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“Beware the wrath of…Doctor Leopardface! Bwahahaha!”

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This batch included 10 people. Although it is conceivable that one person be charged with conspiracy while others are not due to evidence problems or immunity bargains.

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I suspect that a number of the Oath Keepers where in the military. Don’t really know though.

Anyway, it they where in the military, this is the oath. - I, (name), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic ; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the president of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed …

So much for keeping an oath.

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Thanks, I just saw this. There were others charged with the same thing. Appreciate it!

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Well, if you know who the “real” president is, then I don’t see how they broke that oath! /sarcasm

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Does anyone have a handy and reliable link to what “seditious conspiracy” means legally, and what kinds of punishment is allowed?

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18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy

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If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

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18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy

If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

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Many thanks to you you both!