7 Jan 2021 and beyond - the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol

If you scroll down an inch to [21:05:16], which headlines the following paragraph…

…Rachel Maddow lays out Mike Pence’s dalliances with fake electoral voting prior to Jan. 6.
I guess Kyle Cheney of Politico.com should be taking credit for this scoop.

Also posted in the Schadenfreude thread:

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One of the most interesting reveals I saw in this newest batch of subpoenas was in Boris Epshteyn’s.

The relevant language:

Published reports have placed you at meetings at the Willard Hotel in the days leading up to January 6, and you are reported to have participated in a call with former President Trump on the morning of January 6, during which options were discussed to delay the certification of election results in light of Vice President Pence’s unwillingness to deny or delay certification.

(Emphasis mine.)

That’s direct evidence of Trump’s participation in the scheme. There will have been others, presumably on the call, that already testified to the truth of this, else the Committee would not have made the assertion in their subpoena.

Whoops.

Link to the letter that accompanied the subpoena.

Insurrectionist out on bail sent back to jail after an AR-15 was found in his car during a DUI stop.

I think the judge in this case summed up many of the problems that apply to the entire United States:

"There seems to be a toxic combination of substance abuse problems, alleged mental health issues and repeated access to firearms that poses a really serious threat to the community.”

Seriously - you should put that quote on your money.

5 minutes ago:

This is going to be interesting.

You have to obey a House Committee request for documents, once it has gone all the way to the Supreme Court, and they say you have to.

Well, sure. But what if we didn’t?

I am hopeful that they actually can’t pull this shit absolutely, as the official records are being held by the National Archives.

I’m sure, though, that there are other “less official” records that will never be turned over.

Kinda wish Trump still had Twitter. I’d love to see his head asplode.

It depends on who the “we” is. I mean, it’s a reasonable assumption that Trump or someone who works for him has sole physical authority for all his records, but I don’t know for sure if that’s the case.

Another account:

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/590505-supreme-court-rejects-trumps-bid-to-shield-records-from-jan-6

The decision wasn’t signed, but seems to have drawn only one dissent:

…Justice Clarence Thomas, a staunch conservative, was alone in indicating that he would have granted Trump’s request…

To be fair, at his age sleeping on the couch would be murder on his back.

As I understand it, these are records that automatically go to the National Archives for preservation. No administration gets away from that. The process occurs with no ability by any administration to stop it.

Now, members of the Trump cabal may have tried their best to circumvent the system by using personal email accounts, Signal, etc., but I doubt they were very successful.

From what I’m hearing, the Committee is laser-focused on a 4-page document they know exists and what’s in it. I look forward to learning more about that. But there will be thousands of documents if the Committee wants them. My guess is they already have many of them.

By declining to take up this matter, this SCOTUS decision will also foreclose all those anticipated claims of bogus “executive privilege” by dipshits like Sidney Powell, Rudy Giuliani and the other usual suspects. Essentially, SCOTUS relied on the very thorough ruling of the DC Circuit issued on December 9th (.pdf).

I am reposting the link I referred to on December 11th in this thread. And again, I would encourage people to read it. It’s a terrific ruling and although 68 pages, an easy read.

Hilarious. :smiley:

I would bet cash that someone in Trump’s circle–perhaps Donald himself–will have floated the idea of blowing up the National Archives.

Whoever it is in those night-of-Jan-5 pipe-bomb-planting photos is (presumably) still available, so…

In any case, Trump will be unpleasant company tonight: all three of the Supreme Court Justices he appointed have betrayed him!

I remember reading stories of Trump tearing up documents in the office while his staffers desperately tried to pick up the torn bits to piece together because they recognized that stuff needs to be preserved.

Yep.

There have been references to a draft executive order relating to elections …

Again.

“Is you taking notes on a fucking criminal conspiracy?”

I would put nothing past him. Nothing.

There’s an element of rich irony that the only SCOTUS Justice who supported him was… the Black guy. But hail fellow well met, they’ll always have exploitation of women to bind them together!

Is Trump ever pleasant company?

Zounds. That would be quite something, since only a president can issue such an order. Thanks for the enlightenment!

But I can already hear it: “I didn’t order that to be written. I never signed it. Bill Barr Jeffrey Rosen John Eastman ordered that draft! I never saw it! You ain’t got nuttin’ on me!! Fake news!! HOAX!!!”

aha! it was in this very thread: