A conundrum about my son(sexuality)

So my son, soon to be 13, asked me today, if he was gay.

Without going into too much detail, he’s at “that age” and curious. He said he’s been having thoughts and wondering what it would be like with boys and with girls and wondering which he prefers.

My response, since he just blurted it out with no warning about the topic, was to say that as I wasn’t expecting that, I wasn’t prepared to answer, but it doesn’t matter to me if he likes boys, girls, both, or just prefers to avoid sex in his relationships altogether. He’s my son and I love him no matter what.

But holy mackerel, I really am unsure how to answer his question. I had “the talk” with him last year about the mechanics of sex, that was easy.

How do I explain the complexity of relationships? How do I advise him on how to navigate something as fraught with hazards (both real and imagined in the state of Idaho)as being even curious about bi or homosexuality?

I really do love my son and really don’t care which way he goes with this. But, how do I guide and advise him?

Help, please!

You can’t answer that question for him, FWIW I think you handled it just fine.

You neither know nor particularly care, that’s certainly what I’ve said to my kids. I’ve told them that their sexuality is pretty much the least interesting thing about them for me but of course if they every need to talk about any aspect of their relationships they can do so without worrying about judgements.

I’d just be sure he understands he doesn’t have to pick a side. Also, he’ll become more sure when he gets older. Also maybe talk with him about the bigotry that comes with being gay. And make sure he’s ready for that.

I’m going through something similar with my 13 year old, who announced last year that they are gay and this year has requested not to be called girl, daughter, or other gendered terms. They then go on to talk about the boys in their class with what appears to be infatuation and wants new earrings, makeup, etc.

We’ve reinforced that we don’t get to decide for them and their feelings are all that matter. They are very caught up in theatre culture and have other LGBT and non-gendered kids in their class and my wife and I think it‘s that they fell they should be too. I fully expect it to pass within a year, but will have to see.

I agree that it’s important that he know picking one and sticking to it at age 13 isn’t necessary. You talked about asexuality. Did you talk about bisexuality? Make sure he knows that this exists as well. It’s possible to be attracted to people of both genders, and that he may hear stereotypes of bisexuals as being promiscuous, or needing always to engage in three-way sex, or be non-monogamous, and none of those things are true.

I wish someone had told me that.

Talking about and pointing out the hate for folks whose sexuality isn’t hetero is far and away too easy in ID.

How do I make him understand that inspite of what a lot people(his peers included) might be saying, despite how our state legislators treat the LGBT community, whatever he is or decides to give a try or figures out about himself, it actually is ok?

Should I use myself as an (probably not great) example?

Sigh, I often times think that kids aren’t trying to figure themselves out, they know, they’re trying to figure society out and how and where they fit.

It sounds like you did great. I would keep counseling in the back of your mind. That is, if you think the issue is really tearing him up, you can always get a professional involved to help.

Yes, I said, in summary, boys, girls, both or neither for sex is just fine by me.

In finer detail, I specifically said if he brought home a boyfriend or a girlfriend or each and said that was who he was dating and planning on sex with or sex was something he’s just not interested in, I would always accept him and love him and I would give the same acceptance to his friend, whoever they are. As long as they’re not leading him down a bad path to crime, or abusive.

I’d be extremely cautious about this. I see no indication from OP that the child has indicated anything more than the normal emotional patterns of growing up. However well intentioned, you certainly don’t want any possible misunderstanding that him confiding in you that he might not be cis-het-binary elicits a response that he needs to see a therapist because there might be something wrong with him.

ETA, thanks for the suggestions on the refinement to the talk @RivkahChaya.

It hadn’t occurred to me to think about those points

Sure. But it’s early and I’m reminding OP that help is available if needed.

Perhaps consider opening up to him yourself. Being very honest that these are different times than you knew coming up. And that means you’re confused too! These ARE confusing times for both of you. It’s your chance to own that you don’t have answers for him, all relationships are complex. Straight people get crushes on same sex friends, some people take longer to work things out. Repeat that you’re there for him whatever comes, and you’re willing to listen/hear/help etc. Reinforce that as long as the channel between you stays open, you reckon together you’ll both manage to stumble through!

It wouldn’t hurt for him to know it’s awkward for you too, but you don’t mind, it’s not putting you off!

I think you’re doing wonderfully so far, keep up the great work!

Just another perspective: the fact that he came to you with means you’re doing GREAT. There is no way I could have even brought that up to my parents at 13, not because of any anti-gay sentiment but because the assumption that I was straight was so strong and clear.

I also think what you said was fine, but I’m blown away (in a good way) that you could even get there at all. Thank you.

OP, it sounds like your response was kind, caring, and supportive, and you laid the groundwork for him coming to you again with more questions or concerns. So, you did a great job parenting. And, there’s a decent likelihood that this is just an awkward phase that he will figure out on his own.

I do recall once talking to somebody about people doubting their sexuality. He said he tells them to imagine kissing a guy or girl (as opposed to having sex). His theory was that this was a lot more “intimate”, and if a guy couldn’t imagine kissing another man it would be a sign that he wasn’t gay even if he wondered about homosexual sex. I’m not endorsing this as necessarily accurate, but it’s what the OP reminded me.

Good on you for putting in the work such that you and your kid communicate so well.

I’d consider adding in a bit of, “You don’t really have to worry about firmly identifying yourself one way or another for some time yet. And you may find your views on this and other important subjects may change over the next 10 yrs or so.”

So long as it remains an ongoing communication and you support him in whatever healthy choices he makes, it is good.

I wouldn’t harp on the bigotry, other than to say you don’t feel that way, and that you’ll stand up for your kid and you work to oppose that bigotry.

Talking about it as a sort of downside of being anything besides heterosexual can seem like a form of pressure. (“You can go that way, but just know it’ll be super difficult…”)

I think you did great. You might want to look for a youth queer and questioning group near you. Find out what ages it’s for, and you can ask if he is interested in going to it at some point.

But yeah, great that he could talk to you about it, and great job with what you said.

Awesome answer, instant validation and spot on. Your son wanted validation that he’s your son and you could care less about his sexual orientation, and you nailed it in one.

I am the parent of one child that came out as lesbian at 15, then gender fluid non bianary they/them pronouns sophmore year at University. 6 months before coming out at 15, I said one morning as we were driving to school “I don’t care if you like, boys, girls or both.”

long silence

“awkward”

Unfortunately Mom had a serious problem with having a gay child of her own. That was pretty horrible, and her and her entire family are generally decent people but homophobic and still are not 100% accepting of my eldest. Needless to say, in process of divorce from the mother of my kids (covid has added all sorts of complications), that side of the family has basically had zero contact with any of the rest of us for ~5 years, and my eldest has found a fantastic therapist who is also gender fluid non bianary, and is no longer suicidal as Mom is not fully accepting.

Middle child is trans and has been injecting testosterone for about 1 year now, so definitely on the journey. Christmas call with my step-mother 3 years ago. Grandma is a very nice lady raised in Missouri. “Grandma, I don’t go by Sharon any more, I go by Michael.” (not real names)

Didn’t miss a beat. “Shoot, Robert, I wish you had told me that before so I could have put the correct name on your Xmas card.” Instant validation.

@DorkVader You did good!

Now, I don’t know your son. He could be gay and just letting you know, curious, a virgin that just wants to have sex with someone, bi-curious, or confused as teenage hormones wreak havoc on his body and still forming brain, a combination of all the above or something different.

So, some suggestions for you to consider.

  1. Ask if there is a LGBTQ+ club at school he might want to check out
  2. Ask if there is an LGBTQ+ group outside of school that might be more comfortable?
  3. you might want to go to a PFLAG https://pflag.org/ meeting to meet some other parents. Peer group parents may be helpful for you. The one I attended had a handful of very experienced parents eager to provide coaching or point to resources
    Can also check out the meeting to see if it might be something to suggest to your son. Or the two of you, and even mama bear may want to go. Get togethers usually start as a group meeting, then the parents and kids break off into separate groups.
  4. Assume you’ve had the “no glove, no love” safe sex with condoms discussion, but if you haven’t then now’s the time.

best of luck on the journey

You might enjoy reading Dan Savage’s memoir The Commitment, or at least one particular part I’ll try to quote without running afoul of the copyright. The context of this scene is that he and his boyfriend Terry adopted a boy they named DJ, in the 90s when this was much less common. When DJ was six (and Dan and Terry were coming up on ten years together), same sex marriage still wasn’t legal in the US, but it was legal in Canada, and of course they could still have a public commitment ceremony. But they wrestled with the idea, and encountered some unexpected resistance from their kid, who had somehow managed to absorb some very strict views on gender and marriage from the other kids at his Montessori preschool. In time, though, he not only came around; he even announced (albeit in a very 6-year-old way, not like the OP’s 13-year-old) that he wanted to be gay and marry a boy too:

A few weeks later, DJ woke up in the middle of the night with an earache. I got some Children’s Tylenol into him, and we curled up together on the couch in the living room, waiting for the medicine to do its job. We talked about skateboarding. We talked about school. We talked about the cosmic injustice that earaches represent. Then we talked about sex.

“Dad? I want to be gay with Joshua when I grow up.”

It was a radical change of topic, but it wasn’t a bolt from the blue. DJ had been asking questions lately about what exactly “gay” meant. He knew he had gay parents, and that gay marriage was always in the news, and that if his parents married, it would be one of those gay marriages.

Despite our best efforts to explain what gayness was without popping in an old Chi Chi LaRue video, DJ was still a little fuzzy on the concept. Apparently, he had concluded that being gay meant living with your best friend. I didn’t want to tell DJ that he couldn’t be gay when he grew up, but I didn’t believe he was going to be gay when he grew up. As best anyone can tell, most kids, over 90%, will grow up to be straight, whether they’re raised by gay or straight parents. I almost told him he wouldn’t be gay. He plays with trucks. He likes Power Rangers. He threw a perfect spiral the first time he picked up a football. He was throwing it to me and I dropped it, naturally. The kid is straight.

But on the off chance that he wasn’t going to be straight, I started naming all the couples we knew, gay and straight. And DJ joined in. There was Eddie and Mickey, Billy and Kelly, Laura and Joe, Grandma and Gramps, Mark and Diane, Shirley and Rose, Brad and Rachel, Nancy and Barrack, David and Jake, Amy and Sonya, Henry and Beth, Maureen and Ed.

“Most of the men we know are with?” I asked.
“Girls,” DJ said.
“That’s because most men wind up falling in love with women when they grow up. And most women wind up falling in love with men. Those men are called straight. Men who fall in love with men, like me and Daddy, are called gay.”
“Am I going to be gay?”
“I don’t know, DJ, but probably not. Most men aren’t gay. You could be gay when you grow up, but it’s much more likely that you’re going to be straight, like Uncle Billy, or Uncle Eddie, or Tim, or Brad.”
“But I want to be gay, like you and Dad.”

Ah, I thought, somewhere a fundamentalist Christian’s heart is breaking. This is precisely what they worry about when they condemn gay parents. Our kids will want to be gay. They will want to emulate their parents and adopt their sexuality. If you believe, against all evidence, that sexuality is a matter of choice, it may be a rational fear. But sexuality isn’t a matter of choice. It’s an inborn trait. And DJ could no more choose to be gay like his parents than I could choose to be straight, like mine.

“It’s not a decision you get to make,” I said. “It’s not a decision I got to make. It’s a decision your heart makes.”
“When?”
“When you’re older,” I said. “One day, your heart will let you know whether you’re going to be the kind of man who falls in love with a woman or a man.”

There was a long silence, and I thought DJ had fallen asleep. He was curled up next to me, resting his head against my side, and I couldn’t see his face. I stayed very still, giving him enough time to fall into a deep enough sleep that I could carry him back to bed without waking him up. I was also savoring the moment-- not the conversation, which, in all honesty, had scared the shit out of me. It was the kind of Very Important Father Son Talk that you can’t enjoy as it’s happening because you’re so worried that you’ll say the wrong thing and Fuck Your Kid Up Forever. No, I was savoring two delicious, intoxicating sensations only parents ever experience: the scent and weight of our children.

I’m sure you can relate to the fear of saying the wrong thing and fucking your kid up forever. But I think you’re doing great so far, and if you do mess up at some point, that will matter far less than your willingness to keep trying, and your unconditional love for your child.

Thanks everyone, I panicked. None of my other three boys has ever asked me anything like this(can’t say for Mom).

China Guy, thank you specifically for your words of experience and the resource to look into.

@Esprise_Me, thanks, that was cute and heartwarming, sort of reinforces the notion that using my own sexuality as an example in further discussion might not be the worst idea. I’m pretty firmly hetero(as I see myself) but not normative.