Dunno. But I trust a red line by Trump is a hell of a lot more investible than a red line by Obama.
One was a matter of international relations and the other a matter of personal financial crimes.
Totally the same. : old rolleyes :
Don’t you ever get tired of lacking morals?
I don’t think he’s worried about possible treason accusations with his deals with the Russians. He just thinks that makes him a great deal maker. Yes, he is that stupid.
Knowing (puke) his narcissism I suspect that close scrutiny of his finances (and tax returns that he will not release) will show that he really is not that good of a businessman, and is worth much less than he claims, and that his ‘empire’ is collapsing around him. His biggest fear is be exposed as the fraud that he is.
I think there will be many shady business dealings that may end up with no one actually going to jail, because white collar crime is often not punished that way, but leaving his empire with fines and judgements that completely wipe him out.
Were I him, I would fear that more than jail.
Probably that he isn’t as rich as he claims he is. That would be the worst thing imaginable to Grumpy Trumpy.
Based on information already in the public domain, I think it’s reasonable to believe Mueller will find evidence of a conspiracy between Trump himself, his team and the Russians to subvert the election results in Trump’s favor. Whether Trump was a witting co-conspirator remains to be seen. But I personally believe he was. He’s too much of a control freak to have permitted anyone else to handle those relationships, and he always thinks he can handle everything better than anyone else can (about this, he is wrong). Think how many times Trump has sought Putin out for private conversations at several international meetings.
It appears likely that Russia purchased and holds a lot of Trump’s debt. Through this action alone, Russia has the means to pull his strings. I’ve seen nothing in Trump’s own actions to contradict this conclusion. He is so frightened of the Russians that he’s willing to openly commit crimes in his many efforts to frustrate Mueller’s investigation. He won’t speak a cross word against Putin. He won’t carry out the work needed to actually sanction Russia despite sanctions having been imposed by Congress.
The specific thing I believe Mueller’s investigation will uncover is the full extent to which Russia owns Trump. He’s terrified of it not only because it will cause his total financial ruin, but because it will destroy his entire family, his legacy and his presidency.
In the other Russia thread in Elections, Sage Rat posted two links recently that shed more light on the subject. I hope he doesn’t mind if I re-post them in this thread.
Deutsche Bank: A Global Bank for Oligarchs, Part 1 (Who, What, Why)
Deutsche Bank: A Global Bank for Oligarchs, Part 2 (Who, What Why)
Bit of a slog if you’re not conversant in illegal financial transaction lingo, but well worth the time to read.
These are by no means the only pieces that have been published exposing the depth of Trump’s entanglements with Russia through the years. But they explain better than most just how entwined Trump’s affairs are with Russia.
Personally, I believe the obstruction charges that Mueller will probably present first are merely the amuse-bouche of the total case Mueller will eventually prosecute. A reading of Sage Rat’s links demonstrate the challenges Mueller has in uncovering and obtaining the evidence needed to show the crimes – which is why it will take much longer than the obstruction stuff. But he’ll get it, in the end.
I believe Trump is so corrupt, he’s lost track of all the ways he’s broken the law. He just knows there’s plenty to find if someone goes looking. A man as lazy, narcissistic, and stupid as him is also going to be careless.
His dealings with Russia are obviously something he wants to hide, but I suspect the election collusion thing is the least of his concerns. Money laundering is what has him sweating.
I agree with these two. I hope the findings won’t be limited to this, but I’ve never believed thump has as much money as he claims. And revealing that will brand him… wait for it… a
L O S E R !
In thumpworld that would be much worse than any Federal crime, sexual indiscretion, bribery, money laundering, sucking Putin’s dick, etc.
I can hear a chorus of little boys’ voices chanting:
“Donny is a loser, Donny is a loser, Donny is a loser! Na-na-na-NAH-na!”
Today, Chuck Todd; tomorrow, the MSM? Sure would be nice if more self-described journalists would dig that deep, that knowledgeably.
And yes, I’m sure Chucky-Boy isn’t capable of coming up with any of that on his own and had to be spoonfed Jim’s questions as a script. But it’s a start.
No, no. Can’t get out too far ahead of one’s corporate masters and their interests.
When was the last time you heard the words, “climate change” uttered on any MSM outlet?
From Bloomberg View - “I’ve Watched Trump Testify Under Oath. It Isn’t Pretty”: Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
Me? Lacking morals? Hardly.
Do you ever get tired of being a part of the party that espouses women’s rights but cant’s stand for a second to criticize Kennedy or Clinton?
Tell me more about morals you fucking hypocrite.
Here’s an offer: You will pay me $1(UA) for every post by a recognized lefty (such as the one to whom you addressed your bile, and dozens of others here) that contains a criticism of Kennedy or of Clinton. And I will pay you $1,000,000(US) if no such posts can be found.
Deal?
You support Trump . Good thing you belong to the party that doesn’t give a rat’s ass about womens’ rights. You can sleep at night…
I’ve heard plenty of criticism of both Kennedy (just can’t let that go, can you?) and the Clintons.
You should pull your head out of FoxNews’s ass.
You’re an idiot running coach.
No, I’m a smart running coach. I know how to use commas.
Well, you certainly lack honesty, integrity, self awareness and reading comprehension
Morals, well those are a personal belief in how you behave. You don’t lack morals, you have morals that make you behave in ways that lack honest, integrity, self awareness, and reading comprehension.
Going after my grammar and syntax because what I said can’t be addressed.
I understand. You’re a robot.
Actually, it can be addressed. And I already did. You made a broad claim that Kennedy(which one?) and Clinton(which one?) have never been criticized by the left. Which is an absolute lie.
If you want to discuss specific incidents, and how they’re worse than things that Trump has done, be my guest.
Trump has financial crimes all over the world. In the dossier it mentioned how Trump welcomed all the attention about Russia because it distracted from his financial crimes in China.
So it isn’t just Trump-Russia connections. He probably has a long list of financial crimes.
Plus even though Mueller isn’t investigating it, we need to investigate Trump for sexual assault. We also need to investigate him for impregnating women, then forcing them to get abortions. If Benghazi deserved 7 investigations, then this deserves at least 14.
Who knows what other crimes Trump has committed in his life. But financial crimes, treason and sex crimes are the ones we know about. There are probably many more.