Eve, I found that phrase at the bottom of this page and it was not posted by Aldebaran but by AlahAkbar with whom Aldebaran is disagreeing in that thread. I suppose it was an honest mistake on your part but that was not Aldebaran.
Calm down. No need to insult me just because you disagree. It turns out that US troops often are aiming at innocent civilians. It has been documented by Human Rights Watch and it has been in the news. Just a couple of days ago I saw footage in the news of US troops beating up an Iraqi who was not resisting. they had him on the ground and were beating him up. It reminded me of a scene of some years ago where Israeli soldiers beat up a palestinian man and use big rocks to break his arms and legs. It is sickening.
But even if it was all “collateral damage”. You accept it and I don’t. It was to be expected that thousands of innocent Iraqis of all ages would be killed and injured if the USA invaded Iraq. They did not ask the US for this. They did not say they were willing to pay the price. Those deaths have been imposed unilaterally by the USA and I cannot accept them as just. Whatever the intentions (nd I do not accept that they were good) the fact is the USA has imposed death and misery upon thousands of Iraqis and the USA had no right to do that. The photos are an indictment of the actions of the US government. They are disgusting.
I haven’t seen why Adebaran deserves two pit threads when AlahAkbar has none. Adebaran does seem a bit annoying, but it just looks like you have a hard on for him Ilsa_Lund.
Nope, that quote was made by Aldebran in this thread. If AlahAkbar made the same quote, I suppose that means one is a sock puppet of the other.
And I am supposed to apologize to someone who says, *"They are convinced that the USA can commit whatever crime it wants to commit on the international scene, in order to guarantee them their capitalistic heartless egocentric way of life.
I guess it must be something in the upbringing of US’ers that one sees this phenomenon and self-glorification and denial of crimes committed by the own nation so widely spread all over the USA.
So this topic is also set up to see where those people are coming from with their unbelievable arrogance and to see how they defend it."*
Yeah, that’s gonna happen. And as for AlahAkbar, with his “Before it’s too late,” I’d be happy to have him bite me, as well. Though I suspect the two of them are nothing more than well-coordinated trolls.
What’s wrong with any of these statements? The US is arrogant and hypocritical and they are in denial about their own crimes…and they are pretty much brainwashed to think that the US is absolutely good and right in all of its actions and can do no wrong.
Accusations of puppetry and trolling are forbidden on this board, btw. If you have a suspicion please email a mod.
I cannot find that post by Aldebaran in that thread. Can you link to the post directly? Or, at least, can you give us the post number? Or alternatively the page of the thread (it has 2) and the count of posts down the page?
I can only find the post by AlahAkbar. Or am I getting different pages than others? Can someone else confirm this? Please?
Jesus, eve, you know better than that. Read the thread again. Alderbaran posted the “Children with their heads blown off” quote, but it was AlahAkbar who posted “and with all this “power” you cant even make your airports safe. We Arabs dont need nukes”. First off, you can’t accuse anybody of being a sock around here. You know that. Second, I don’t like the guy either, but at least I can keep my partisan assholes straight. When it’s pointed at that you can’t, you argue the point - which makes you look like an idiot even further. Read the thread again paying attention to whose who.
Eve, you are totally misrepresenting what Aldebaran said. He was not making any threats. He was saying he was ready to provide evidence of such acts committed by Americans. Which is quite different. Since you insist in your assertions even after they have been pointed out to you I have to conclude you are wilfully lying and misrepresenting what Aldebaran said (and did not say).
I have contacted the Mods about these “two.” As for me, I am tired and fed up with being harrangued by anti-American Islamic Fundies, those who are posing as same, and those who are apologists for such crap. I’m off to Cafe Society, and those of you who get kicks out of such things can continue US-bashing, Muslim-bashing, Israel-bashing and the like.
They’ve let me know what they think of me and I’ve let them know what I think of them. And “that’s all there is, there isn’t any more,” as Ethel Barrymore used to say.
Who is “they” exactly? Last I checked Americans hold a broad range of views. Hell man, you’re an American citizen. Are you “brainwashed to think the US is absoultely good”. This is one of the problems with alderbaran’s statements. He isn’t able to make distinctions.
With all due respect, Diogenes, you list so far to port that you always think the US is about to capsize. You are so close minded that even centrist views seem like the worst forms of fascist control. This, I think, is why you don’t have a problem with alderbaran. If you would open your eyes you would see that he is not “right”. All he does is post his America-as-Great-Satan schtick
Sure, someone can criticize the US. It’s vital that that be done. But Alderbaran’s “arguments” are far too simplistic to be taken seriously and when asked to elaborate or explain, he simply reposts that America=bad. The guy has even said that he doesn’t give cites… ever. That he refuses to because he doesn’t feel the need to “fit in”. What kind of bullshit is that? What kind of poster consciously refuses to back up his points? That’s why he is an asshole, and that’s why he is being pitted.
Which reminds me…
That’s an extraordinary claim, sailor. It needs a cite.
Oh, and Ilsa_Lund? Where are the links to all those “statements called into question”? Mind you, calling something into question is not the same as a lie. Which is what you’ve repeatedly charged Abeldaran with doing.
So far, I must agree with the others that have said as much. Namely that your dick gets huge when you see any of his postings.
He says something about how the way the US government works, everybody tells him he is wrong, then he pretends not to understand and says it again. I mean come on, if you hate a government so fucking much try to actually understand it. Repeating the same crap about how the US must be unfree because we do things different from Belgium isn’t a fucking argument. Saying a country is wrong simply because it opperates differently than your own is just as arrogant as the American cardboard cut-out stereotypes he hates so much. If you want to make Americans open their minds to what you are saying stop being so fucking dense yourself.
Finally its either American, US citizens, US people, people in the US, what have you, not US’er. It’s not a fucking word in English. Maybe it is in Belgiumish (Isn’t making up words fun), but it isn’t here. I think from now on we should start refering to Muslims as Islamer or Mohammadites whenever we are talking to him.
Nope. The summary on that page contains the following quote:
Me thinks y’all should have read the report instead of putting on your see-what-I-want-to-see glasses.* The amount of civilian casualties is regretable, but they are decidedly not caused by US troops “aiming at innocent civilians”. The report points to overagresive tactics and lack of accountability - not to open malice. It would have helped if either of you had read the report. Citing it as support is dishonest.
*And why are your see-what-I-want-to-see glasses set to murder? Mine are set to Lucy Lieu.
Eve, You are wilfully lying about Aldebaran’s posts. He did not say what you claim he said. Lying is not the way to expose Aldebaran and all you are accomplishing is to dilute the valid charges when your false charges are exposed and debunked. You have totally misrepresented his post to say what he did not say. That was not a threat, it was a statement saying he could provide photos of Iraqis injured by Americans. Which was true. So just stop lying. Your hatred blinds you.
You want cites of questionable levels of U.S. armed forces violence against civilians? My search bar is AWOL, but look at the last link at the bottom of the page at www.hgw.org.
The damn glasses again. Look, it is entirely possible that you missed my last post due to slow hamsters, so I’ll summarize it again. Iraqi civilian deaths are a result of the negligence and over-agressive tactics of the US forces. However, describing the situation as US troops “aiming at innocent civilians” is dishonest and is not what Human Rights Watch said. Your claim was not documented by Human Rights Watch, and you were dishonest for claiming it was.
Questionable actions by US forces? Absolutely. Illegal actions? probably. I’m not arguing that. But no where in that report is there documetation “that US troops often are aiming at innocent civilians” as you claimed. Sailor, you were dishonest and wrong. Suck it up and admit it.
A Monkey With a Gun, I did not say “always” so I believe my claim is valid. At any rate, there’s a thread already discussing that and there’s no point in duplicating it here. We can continue to agree or disagree there.
My only point in this thread is that, while it is true that Aldebaran is a fanatic who does not contribute much in the way of reasonable discussion, Eve lied when she misrepresented what Aldebaran said. That is blatantly dishonest.