I saw an episode of BIO’s ‘I Survived… there and back’ or something where this child who had NDE saw her mother and grandmother in waiting room and knew that her grandmother who doesn’t smoke(?) lit a cigarette and knew exactly what they said. No. I don’t have an explanation if everything said on the show and the video is true. No, I don’t.
One and done.
Since you and 2ManyTacos have voted and explained your votes in posts, could the both of you(and interested others) take this continued conversation and start a new thread, perhaps in Great Debates?
Thank you.
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I agree with the 80 Nothing dies it changes back to what it was before,since we are considered star stuff we return to that.
I had what I thought was an NDE many years ago,but when I talked to my doctor’s and the nurses, they said it was just the effects of the drugs on the brain. Then a few years ago I had an experience when my heart stopped while having a test done, they told me when I was brought to, that I should see a heart doctor because of it, and I had no idea I needed resuscitation.I also had an experience after a test that even though I was alert in a room with my husband if I closed my eyes I would see beautiful scenes,if i opened my eyes they were not there, that again was the effect of the drugs wearing off.
As a post script, I would say the doctors made a mistake and her brain was not fully dead ,but some part of the brain was still alive. I know my brother in-law when he was dying had no blood pressure, and it lasted for some time, It was just so low that it didn’t register on the machine.
I’m spiritual but I don’t waste my time thinking about Heaven and Hell. We will all find out soon enough.
I voted for the first option, but I wish you’d included something like *I don’t believe in life after death, and I prefer the universe that way; I’d prefer not to live forever.
*But maybe that’s just me. I’m a strange duck.
No we won’t.
Once you’re dead you won’t find out anything.
Admittedly there’s no real evidence to support the existence of an afterlife. But I still don’t think it’s intellectually rigorous to with absolute certainty that there is none. I’d rather say, “Probably not, but we just don’t know and by definition cannot find out without dying and staying dead.”
Watch the video again.
Disregarding the more existential aspects of her experience, how on Earth could she have heard EXACTLY what the physicians were saying after she was (“not fully”) brain dead and had her ears plugged with a device that was loudly ringing into her ears?
I’m not a doctor, no, but even the surgeons in the video (who were actually there at the time she experienced everything) have no explanation for what happened. I mean, when it comes to something like that, I have a hard time just explaining it away to the tried and true “dying brain” theory.
It’s trivially easy to demonstrate. I already did it in this thread.
She heard them because she was there and she heard them. What’s the mystery? Not that a youtube video is exactly compelling evidence.
#1 (though I have never thought much about what will happen to my atoms - who cares?). I honestly can’t understand the value many people put on an ‘afterlife’, never could, it’s one the first things that made me question religion growing up.
Are you talking about another thread? I just did a search, and you’ve only posted twice in this thread: the post I am quoting, and your reply to 2ManyTacos.
My mistake. It was in another current afterlife thread. Specifically this post.
I’ll quote it again here:
While I agree that the most probable explanation for consciousness is that it’s an emergent feature of biochemistry, it is not proven that there is no other, aphysical component. The completely physical nature of consciousness is probable – hugely probable, in fact – but not certain.
So she heard what the surgeons said after having the blood drained from her head & having had her ears plugged with devices that drowned out all other noise? She saw the tools that were used during her surgery in spite of them having been concealed until she measurably dead & then accurately described those instruments afterwards?
Oooookaaaaay…
What part of it is insufficiently explained by biochemistry to the extent that magic is a reasonable hypothesis.
Moreover, even if biology alone was not a sufficient component, it’s a necessary component. If biology plus X = consciousness, then X minus biology is insufficient for consciousness.