Next season, in the climatic battle between the Night Troopers and the New Republic, Annikin’s force ghost will accidentally kill the Night Sisters and all the troopers will simply collapse.
BTW, we needed for Jedi with the strength of Maul to get on Thrawn’s ship. Maul could have singlehandedly destroyed the whole thing.
I can’t think of another way. I’m sure nobody in that writing room is a legit military genius, and even if they were how do you accurately portray that? Thrawn was a long running villain among many in a multi season show who wasn’t “defeated” until the very end and with extremely high costs. He was suitably competent without really “showing” it in any true manner other than results. In the end Ahsoka’s Thrawn was a military genius the same way Ahsoka was a Jedi master, by simply spouting platitudes that sound like what someone in their position should be saying rather by anything they actually did.
I’ve read/seen/heard a lot of complaining about Sabine being able to force shove Ezra. I don’t love it, but it’s so typical of the weirdness of the choices they made it doesn’t really even ping my radar. But I don’t think I’ve seen/heard/read anyone else make this point: She’s a Mandolorian. Shouldn’t she have a little mando jetback to buzz buzz over to the departing ship? Isn’t that their whole jam, what made you even-nerdier-than-me people go nuts for Boba Fett in the 80s? We see nothing but flying mandos in The Mando show. Just… just give me a little thing where she’s trying to use it and she’s out of juice or the rain fire took it out or something. Don’t show me that her people have this huge cultural advantage and it doesn’t get used. (Which is not the same as her choosing to stay. She could have buzz buzzed Ezra up there and came back)
I was kinda annoyed she waited until he was already falling to lift him and toss him the rest of the way, which was WAY WAY harder than giving him an extra push while he was still on the way up. The fact that she could did not bother me, it was the obvious conclusion to her set up. She did have a jetpack in rebels, but they’ve never shown her using it in this so it would have been weird to bust it out then. Also, its not standard equipment for all mandalorians, mando himself did not have one until later in the show.
And it mirrored when Kanan did it to Ezra but… it didn’t really matter to me? When Huyang was yapping about the saber pieces and called him “Caleb”? That was so much more meaningful
its not standard equipment for all mandalorians, mando himself did not have one until later in the show.
An absolutely valid point HOWEVER I’m tired of us having to dig into lore and memory banks just to justify stuff when they could have SHOWN US on screen some reason why not. It’s just tiny little thing after tiny little thing. I want to watch this show and be like “I have questions!” because I want to know more about Thrawn or the Night Sisters. I don’t want to have plothole nitpick questions.
They did. They spent 10 episodes showing her and her equipment, and she didn’t have one. It would have been even worse writing for her to what, pull it out of her pocket? Have it fold out of her helmet? A Mandalorian jetpack is an extremely obvious piece of equipment. It’s a big bulky backpack with a jet on it.
The show is written–its not actually happening in real time–so its EASY to set up that a character is clever or a strategist because you craft situations to showcase it. It doesnt have to be real 3 dimensional chess. Just establish something like Ezra has something that Thrawn wants before he leaves, during the wolf ride make it so the batteries from the star destroyer arent just missing the heroes because plot armor–they are pushing them toward a certain entrance–it’s a trap. Little things, you know. Thrawn doesnt DO anything intelligent during the whole show.
Because he keeps failing. If he drove the heroes into a trap and they got out of it anyways that wouldn’t make him look any better. They should have been clear from the start that their only goal was to GTFO and they did not have the forces/resources to deal with two Jedi and a Mandalorian so all they could do was try their best to delay them. Instead he continuously fails and claims victory retroactively by saying he meant to do that anyways, which makes him look like a buffoon instead of a genius.
Thrawn delayed 3 Jedi long enough to escape with the loot and leave 2 of the Jedi stranded in the other galaxy, with whatever is on that planet. I’d call that a win.
I of course agree that he’s a buffoon… but if you want to try to establish that he’s strategic…he needs to have a strategy. It doesn’t matter if the plan fails, he still needs to be shown to have a plan that would have worked if it weren’t for those meddling kids.
But he didn’t though. Sabine, once again, effed up and caused the delay by doing a stupid manuever that damaged the ship.
I disagree with that. It was a pretty amazing maneuver that saved everyone’s life instead of remaining sitting ducks for the tie fighters to just pick them off.
Yeah, I didn’t see that as a fuck up. Hovering above the slow moving crab people like a sitting duck when you are under a time crunch and letting your only means of escape get strafed into uselessness on the other hand was a a bad call. Not that it was Sabine’s fault though.
…shrug…
I don’t know what to tell you guys… We literally saw Ahsoka take out fighters in space… alone… Force throw a lightsaber through the windshield, man.
And it was silly plot armor that their ship didn’t also just explode when colliding with two other ships in the atmosphere.
To ME it read like Sabine acting again like a weird emo teenager trying to be badass…and ultimately, it gave Thrawn enough time to get underway, so… another win for Sabine.
Then that would have been Ashoka’s fuck-up, not Sabine’s.
Or really any other kind I would imagine.
I’m vaguely familiar with Thrawn as a sort of blue Imperial Erwin Rommel. So I’m fine assuming that if he gets back to the Galaxy he could unite Imperial remnants under him and threaten the Republic.
After witnessing the Council of Dipshits deliberating in an earlier episode, I imagine a lot of planets might actually support Thrawn and a return to the structure and stability of an Empire not led by cartoonishly evil Sith lords.
But the Scooby Doo Gang riding through a bombardment by the star destroyer was just stupid.
Also why did Ezra wait to take his stormtrooper helmet off until after he came aboard the Republic ship and was almost gunned down by their security? Like he rode the whole way there wearing the stupid helmet for no reason?
Well, Ezra is really into helmets.
Late to the party. Some quick hits.
Like Dawson as Ahsoka a ton. But didn’t like the portrayal in this series. Too aloof and snarky, that’s not Ahsoka. Bad writing and directing there.
Really disliked Sabine here. Didn’t like the casting choice, the portrayal wasn’t too bad, but the character arc is so dumb. She’s a Mandalorian, not a Jedi. I know the whole “everyone has some aptitude for the Force” discussion, but I don’t like it. Saying if you try hard enough you can be a Jedi is dumb. And she literally levels up from not being able to move a cup to being able to force pull a lightsaber with perfect aim and then she’s force pushing Ezra in mid-air? That is lazy shitty fan-fic level writing.
I didn’t like the way they characterized Thrawn in Rebels and I don’t like the carry over here. Lars’ voice acting is okay, but his look is wrong to my eye. The way Thrawn was sketched out in Heir to the Empire paints a much more formidable person. This Thrawn is like the old creepy uncle with a bad hairpiece. Thrawn should be built like a former Marine, not like a paunchy bureaucrat. Also, he seems to kind of be an idiot in this series too.
Ezra was pretty solid. Not much to add there, but I’m not loving the whole hippy dippy vibe. That’s not the kid from Rebels. Sure, he’s gone native for 10 years, but that just felt off.
Hera was just a trainwreck. Awful casting. Awful dialogue. Completely clueless as a character. She wasn’t the jokester on the Ghost, she was by far the most militaristic of the team and was the one working with Fulcrum in secret. To see her with zero political acumen and seemingly no support as a General is just a bizarre choice. This show would have been a lot better with less Hera and more Ahsoka.
Baylan and Shin were great. Would have loved a lot more time with the two of them so we could see their master/apprentice dynamic more. Super sad that Ray died, and we won’t get to see him expand this role. I fully expect them to recast it, I think writing around him being gone will be tough.
Do Star Wars stories have to be insufferably dumb? Like all the time? Andor and Rogue One mostly managed to write something that wasn’t paper thin. Maybe there was something here salvageable, but they really missed the mark.
First off, the whole gimmick with the star map was nonsensical as shown. I read the link early in the thread that explains this was a map based on Perrgil migration routes…that makes perfect sense! It would have been great if the show actually showed us that somewhere.
Episode one could have been either Ahsoka or Morgan deducing that Perrgil migration routes could be the key to finding Thrawn/Ezra. That kind of detective story followed by a map heist would have been interesting to watch play out over a couple episodes. Then the other antagonist does their own detective work following the break in to figure out what the map heist was about, that’s a fun and interesting story. You could have shown a lot of stuff with the Imperial sympathizers and the Republic’s poor management to flesh out this time period using that device.
Also, a map of space whale migration routes would not be in some stupid ruin’s basement. It would have been in, say, the remains of the Jedi archive or maybe in some former Imperial database. It wouldn’t be some silly Indiana Jones scene. A more urban setting would have been a nice change of pace from Mando.
The role and motivations of the Nightsisters is a total mystery still. Thats a problem. Maybe they’ll flesh it out in the coming season, but for how central they are to this story you probably needed to at least hint at something coherent. If you weren’t going to do that, you might as well have just used Morgan for all the witchy stuff and brought the others in next season.
Sabine betraying everyone, including Ezra, by opening the door for Thrawn to come back is just garbage. And then everyone just sort of shrugs it off at the end? Seriously? That is dumb, dumb, dumb. You could have instead made this some sort of failure of her Jedi training if you were so committed to that story line. Like some kind of Luke in the cave thing that causes her to doubt herself, not just some selfish betrayal.
All things considered; I think I might have preferred if this was more of an Ahsoka show than a Rebels live action sequel. I know the Mando/Book of Boba example isn’t exactly something you want to repeat, but I might have preferred a more Ahsoka focused season 1 and then maybe a Rebels team-up spin off as a season 2 crossover show.
I would have been a lot more interested to learn about Ahsoka’s time as a lone Jedi in the wild. Her anxiety and her doubts. The challenges of being alone with no support while being hunted by Empire loyalists and Inquisitors. Tell us more about who this adult Ahsoka is now, then maybe later I’ll be interested in how she handles taking on a padawan.
Anyways, enough of a rant. You all have mostly said all this before. I’ll be back if there’s a season 2, lol.
That was deliberate. She was emotionally closed off due to her concern that her Master, Anakin, would rub off on her somehow. But after her ‘rebirth’ in the World Between Worlds, she opened up again, and the weight of the galaxy was lifted from her shoulders.