Am I too old to date a 19-year-old? (long, stupid)

Here’s how it is:

I will be 37 years old on my next birthday. As one or two of you may know, I spend a lot of time at the public library. Who wouldn’t? Free internet access, free power for the laptop, tons of research materials, coffee shop in the lobby: it’s got everything a starving freelance writer needs. Except when I’m beating the rushes for clients, I’m there at least four days a week.

being there every day, I frequently have occasion to interact with a certain librarian in the Humanities Department, whom I shall call Elly for the duration of this story. Elly looks to be in her mid-thirties and is quite comely and amusing; I always look forward to having to approach her for help. Long ago I took note that she wore no wedding ring, and overhearing her recently bemoan the horrible date she’d had the previous weekend, I decided to try to get her phone number if the opportunity presented itself.

Earlier this week I happened to be in the lobby coffee shop when Elly took her break. There really wouldn’t be a better chance any time soon, I thought, so I stepped up beside her in line and started a conversation about the political season. This went reasonably, if not spectacularly, well, until we got to the counter. On duty there, you see, was Beth. Beth is clearly a reader – I’ve never seen her without a book. And we’re talking real books – this summer I saw her work her way through everything Thackery, Melville, & the Brontë sisters ever wrote, for instance. We talk about books from time to time, and I’ve recommended a few she might like. She’s also quite pretty, but, very obviously, a teenager.

Anywhistle, Beth and Elly seem to be friends, or at least acquaintances. They chatted when we made our orders, and Beth inserted herself into the conversation a few times when Elly & I sat down to caffeinate ourselves. At one point, when it was just the three of us in the café and I was about to ask Elly if I might call her sometimes, Beth called out that I was very transparent. “Skaldie, you don’t give a damn about what Elly thinks about the election,” she said. “You’re just trying to get into her pants. Or maybe my pants. Possibly both our pants. Anyway, you’re trying to unzip somebody’s pants.”

Elly broke into laughter. Said giggle-fit lasted for at least fifteen seconds. And I didn’t get her number.

I was a little vexed with Beth, as you might imagine, but I decided there was nothing in it for me in confronting her. But I didn’t conceal my pique as well as I might have, as the next day Beth, making me an espresso, said I wasn’t nearly as chatty as normal. “What’s bugging you, dude?” she asked.

Fighting not to roll my eyes, I said, “Oh, nothing, except for people who stick their noses into other people’s business.”

“You mean that thing yesterday? I was just trying to help you, dude. You weren’t ever going to get her number with your tired line. You’re too clever by half.”

“What the hell is that supposed to mean?”

“It means that you should just be direct,” she said. “Let me show you how it’s done. Ask me for my number.”

“Huh?”

She rolled her eyes. “For Cthulu’s sake, Skald”–and yes, she did say “Cthulu”-- “are you feverish? I’m trying to tutor you. Ask me for my phone number.”

“Okay,” I said, “what’s your phone number, Beth?”

She handed me my coffee, ripped the receipt off the cash register, and scribbled something on the back. “See? Wasn’t that easy? And the worst thing that can happen now is that I’ve given you the digits for the rejection hotline. Now, do I need to teach you how to use the telephone too?”.

I blinked. “No, I think I know how to do that.”

“Well, we’ll find out later soon, I guess. Now get out of my way, Skaldie, you’re holding up the line.”

So I left, not certain whether Beth really wanted me to ask her out or was simply screwing with my head for her own amusement. But since nothing ventured = nothing gained, I called her the next day and, to my shock, got her actual voice, not the Rejection Hotline. She seemed happy that I’d called, made fun of my choice in shoes for a few minutes, and finally said that, though she was leaving town for her sister’s wedding this weekend and thus had no time to spare, she expected a call from me by Monday, and if she did not receive one would feel obliged to put vinegar in my coffee.

So Monday approacheth. I’m a trifle torn as to what to do. One the one hand, Beth is smart and bitchy and cute, all good things. But she’s nineteen years old. (Unsure of her exact age, I asked when I called, and she said she was the square root of 361.) I could very easily be her father – for Aslan’s sake, she was born only three years before my son. I spend a great deal of time mocking men who chase women that much younger than they; what on Earth do they talk about? How does the guy keep up? Don’t all his friends point & laugh?

(Okay, his male friends don’t point & laugh. But I don’t have any male friends, so that gets me nothing.)

So what shall I do, Dopers? Get over myself and make the call, or resign myself to days of mocking and possible vinegared coffee?

Why do you ask questions to which you already know the answers?

Take her out. Have a good time. Be the envy of every man your age who sees the two of you together. Who knows? You might hit it off.

Oh, DEFINITELY. I was on the other side of such a relationship. I was 18 and she was in her mid 40s.

Still gets referred to as the best thing to happen to me. She was a mentor when I really needed one, and taught me all I knew about how to dress, act, talk, assess, and treat others. She’s actually the reason why I was able to snag my wife.

It’s not likely to last, but you might as well have fun with it while you can.

How many reasons do you want?

Because I’m conflicted. Because if the above tale had been posted by the nearly-forty Lord Ashtar (assuming that’s your age), my first impulse would be to think (though probably not to voice) “She’s too young for you, dude. Maintain your dignity.” Because I fear letting my little head lead my big head. Because I fear letting my prejudices get in the way of reality.

Date her, bed her, wed her.

If you don’t, I will.

Da Goil is one inna millyon, youse mug.

I would take her out, but for Og’s sake, don’t lead her on. She’s more your son’s age than yours. Would you want your 19 year old daughter to date a 37 year old man?

Yes, she seems smart and with it. Yes, you’re probably flattered. But you guys are miles apart, so treat her as a friend, go see a couple of movies, and don’t make anything more of it.

Quite frankly, I would approach Elly again. I think Beth is trying to get you two crazy kids together, and you needed a smack upside the head (plus the threat of vinegar in your coffee) to get with the program.

Call Beth on Monday, thank her for her help, then march in there and ask Elly out.

Go out for dinner, what the hell. Either you’ll have a good time, or you won’t, in which you’ll either go on a second date or you won’t. You don’t have to decide on the entire path of your relationship now.

She’s of age, in control of her faculties. In no way are you abusing a position of authority or otherwise taking advantage of her.

Quit overanalyzing things and enjoy yourself. Nothing wrong with a date, and/or sex between consenting adults. If it turns into something else, well, so be it. But don’t give up the present worrying about the future.

(And - yeah - I would be quite surprised if 2 people with an 18 year age difference were to live “happily ever after.” Certainly not unprecedented, but IMO unlikely. But you didn’t write anything suggesting any of the 3 parties involved were necessarily limiting your prospects to a potential lifelong relationship.)

Oh, for the love of god.

Yes, she’s too young for you. She’s legal, presumably of sound mind, and capable of making her own decisions, so date her if you want. But please bear in mind that you will never again be taken seriously or considered dateable by a grown woman who finds out about it.

Oh, and wasn’t it *Elly * you were interested in before the moppet held out her shiny phone number and distracted you? Because you should also consider that if you call Beth, you can kiss any chance with Elly goodbye, forever.

Good Gorram! :eek:

If this is the way it really went, and not refiltered too strongly through the Skaldfield, then what the hell are you waiting for? If anyone is going to have the upper hand in this relationship, it’s going to be our little minx here! (Can you imanginge the…uh…vingegar in bed? Of course you can. You have, multiple times. Clean yourself up before your mother sees you, pervert.)

While I’m generally against such an age span due to the almost inherint power differential in our culture (especially when it’s the man who is older), I’m also absolutely against absolutes. This sounds like one scenario where that isn’t present.

BUT: this could totally blow your chances with Elly in the future. Are she and Beth close enough that you would be on Elly’s Do Not Hit My Ex list if you and Beth don’t work out? That would be my own personal quandry, not the age thing.

Bit of a hijack, but - Is it just me, or does Beth talk like a woman from a Heinlein novel? Quite a bit of good luck you’ve got here, Skald.

Bah. Damn old people snapping up the interesting women near my age. I’m eginning to think this whole Grand Vizier deal isn’t the choice job it appeared to be. :mad:
:stuck_out_tongue: Anyway, it’s possible that she doesn’t actually like you in that way (no offense) but is just going to give you more advice about Elly.

At least you’re a (divorced?) dad. A never-married, childless guy your age would scare off most any 19-year-old. (I’m speaking from experience here.)

“For God’s sake, man, she’s eighteen. And you have the emotional maturity of a blueberry scone. Just have at it, would you, and stop fluttering about.” Spoken by Giles to Wesley in an episode of BTVS.

There’s a quote from Buffy to fit every situation.

All quotes are sound advice and heres my addition. She’s 19. She has no idea what she wants to be or where she wants to go in life. Even if she IS really interested in you it will (likely) only be for a few weeks.

In my experience, and I’ve dated a lot of women in my 30 years on earth, of all ages, I don’t believe ANY woman under the age of 23 when she says she knows what she wants. She knows what she wants TODAY but not TOMORROW.

(Yeah I know there are exceptions but I had a broad brush so I used it)

Go for it and quit being a pussy, for the love of God.

I am 42 and have an on and off thing going with a very hot 23 year old and I can assure you that it’s lots and lots of fun and will continue until she comes to her senses.

OK, Skald, I’m going to go out into left field here and advocate a very direct approach – but Beth seems to be like a bit of an off-the-wall, WYSIWYG type person (in a good way), so this just might work. Caveat Emptor, you know the situation best, think before accepting advice, etc… Why don’t you ask her, flat out, what’s going on? Seems to me, this may be the one-in-a-hundred case where just coming out and asking the woman what the %&^* is going on might be the right thing to do this time. Is she really interested in you, you know, that way, or is she really just acting friendly and trying to help push things allong with Elly.

Note, also, that I think WhyNot is right in that, even if Beth is interested in you for her self, you definitely have a “Choose one” situation here – you are not going to get intimate with both Beth and Elly.

Course, my opinion and $9.98 will get you a crisp, new Ten Dollar bill… (Shipping and Handling not included, void where prohibited, local taxes may apply)

(Oh, and I’m officially jealous of your good fortune, too :mad: )
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Speaking as a 35-year-old single woman, I’d be incredibly turned off if someone my age, who seemed interested in me, were to suddenly forget all about me just because some teenager flirted with him.

You’re either interested in Elly or you’re just horny: if the former, find out whether she is interested back before you call Beth again (and only someone with the emotional maturity of a 19-year-old would even jokingly demand to be called a second time: she’s the one with the busy weekend, so if she’s interested she can call you by Monday). If the latter, go ahead with Beth but be prepared to forget entirely about Elly (as others have said).

Well, legally no, but it is a little weird. I mean you can’t even take her to a bar.

What do 19 year olds even talk about these days? I know what we talked about when I was 19 (I’m 34 now). The new Pearl Jam or Nirvana CD, rushing fraternities, how funny the Jerky Boys are and how the hell do you do the Calc I homework.

On the other hand, our 21 year old intern’s girlfriend was pissed off at me because I got him started with the Dave Chappelle Howard Dean “BEEEAAAAAWWWWWWW!!” thing and last weekend I hung out with an old high school buddy (who’s married with a kid) watching Jackass Number Two and playing Company of Heroes. Maybe I’m not the best person to tell you how NOT to relate to 19 year olds.

You make a valid point, however while you would be turned off, he would be banging a 19 year old. :smiley:
Personally? I think you should try to get with both of them until the whole thing blows up in your face.

She may be chronologically young, but sounds like a very old soul. I’d say Carpe Diem.