I get it now. Going through the wiki the timeline is on, it explains why the one girl claimed Tate had asked her if she believed in God, and then in the flashback, Tate didn’t. It’s just like Columbine - one girl was famously (but wrongly) publicized as saying ‘yes,’ when asked the same question.
It was an intentional continuity misfire.
I don’t get why the football player appeared with a clean bullet wound in his forehead, when Tate was at very close range and causing much messier wounds.
I find it weird that this was supposed to be a big reveal. I thought it was intended to be pretty obvious after Tate snuck up on Violet wearing the suit a few weeks ago. “Oh I just found it…” yeah found it right before offing Sylar and some other dude.
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Add me to the list of those disappointed with the Rubberman reveal. Yes, we knew Tate wore the suit once before after he “found it in the garbage” but having it always be him take a huge amount of the mystique away. I’m not scared of the Rubberman anymore. Well, I’m scared in the sense that he’s a murdering ghost, but not in the eerie sense. He’s just a pathetic teen psychopath, not something more creepy and sinister.
I did like the ghosts working together, under Hayden’s direction, to gaslight Vivian. But I’m not sure what Hayden’s plan is. Viv goes to the “Loony Bin” as she said, and maybe can’t keep her babies, but why would they end up back at the house where she and Nora can have them? Is Hayden counting on Ben getting custody? Also, did Tate have to impregnate a living woman (Viv) to make a baby for Nora? If his plumbing works, wouldn’t Nora’s work too?
Or is it supposed all be “ghost logic”? The Ghosts do what they do because they aren’t “whole” and can only think things through as far as their own obsessions will allow?
Ben up and around after his “through and through” gunshot wound was kinda lame, though. But I did love the security guard (was his name Luke?) this episode. His confrontation with Ben in front of the cops was great, and then to follow it up by seeing that Vivian really was losing it was pretty tragic.
I call foul on the Tate/rubberman thing. In the earlier episode when we saw him wearing the suit to scare Violet he had a very different body type than Viv’s impregnator. RubberDaddy was built solid and filled the suit, whereas Tate has a slighter frame and isn’t as imposing. Not buying it.
Yeah, my wife caught that too. (Do I worry about my wife paying that close attention to the physique of men in rubber suits? nah…) But I can handwave it: he’s a ghost. His actual body is probably in a grave somewhere or maybe on the property. The body we (and Violet, Ben, and Vivian) see is probably the projection of how he sees himself. And when he sees himself as a big scary rubberman rapist, he feels (and hence looks) bigger and more imposing.
I wouldn’t read too much into that. I read in an interview somewhere that for the actual sex scene that Dylan McDermott was in the suit, since Connie Britton was most comfortable working with him. Most of the other times when we don’t actually see who it is, it’s another actor that’s apparently not listed on imdb.
During the sex scene is one thing; I’m talking about when he’s still standing in her doorway. It’s just a different person.
I liked Constaces husband cameo, that’s the last of the ghosts we know off (assuming burned guys family weren’t in the house).
If Vivien is confined to the mental hospital and she’s pregnant, what are they medicating her with? I never thought about it, but is it safe to give thorazine or whatever to a pregnant woman?
How come the Black Dahlia only appeared after all of these years???
How come she saw the maid as a hottie… I thought only men saw her that way?
Well, as the end of the show revealed, it’s a bit more complicated than that.
My WAG is that Dahlia was so desperate for approval that someone who showed her affection would be liked by her. In other words, if it likes Dahlia, Dahlia likes it. That’s as much justification as I need, because I’m not one to question two beautiful women lying on a couch together.
I’m saddened because now that Ben doesn’t see the young hottie version, I think she’ll be mostly gone. 
Maybe they’ll bring Breckenridge back for occasional guest shots, but I wouldn’t keep her in the regular cast just for the occasional new man that comes into the house.
I love Constance. She’s so scary I won’t even badmouth her here even though I know she’s fictional because somehow she’d still get back at me.
Yes, originally Rubber Man was played by a different actor.
I think they did a good job casting (Constance’s boyfriend) Travis: they chose an actor who would be considered cute, maybe even hot, in East Fumbuck, Flyover but in L.A. wouldn’t get a second look by most casting agents- i.e. somebody you can believe would believe he’s all that but really ain’t.
I think the Black Dahlia tie-in is a bit over-the-top for a show that’s already dancing on top of a steeple. Will there be a Manson tie in next? Or will we learn the doctor killed Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman then dumped the bodies and the bloody glove in Brentwood?
But, I’ll keep watching of course.
Does anybody know if “the Pope’s box” is an existing legend or just made up for this show?
The story is still decent enough to keep watching but they are seriously overdoing it with the amount of ghosts now in that house.
I do think they have too many ghosts going on, but must admit that I live stories where they throw in some real history, but with a twist. Maybe they can have a Manson invasion or something! 
The Manson family breaks in to do a Creepy Crawl… and runs screaming from the house.
I have a feeling there will be some ghosts we see once or twice and never again. Sort of “ghost of the week” things. I mean, Mena Suvari’s somewhat of a movie star, no? I don’t think she’ll be back often. That will obviously lead to the house being overcrowded with ghosts we know about but never see, but hey, it’s the Murder House, after all.
Speaking of which, where’s ghost doggie? Anyone taking care of him? (does he eat? does he poop? good luck taking him to the vet for his next shots.)
Decent episode. Nice to see some plot movement. Though the Violet is-she-or-isn’t-she bit needs to come to resolution soon. It’s reminding me of the Is Giles really dead and replaced by the First Evil bit from Buffy Season 7.
I’m glad to see we called it on the 1 twin is Ben’s and the other is Rubberman’s (i.e. Tate’s, if we’re really accepting that) (not sure who was first to think of it, but I jumped right on that bandwagon, and was happy to be proven correct.) But really, why on earth would any medical professional share that info with Ben? It’s not like it has any medical relevance, other than maybe extra tests that might have to be done for genetic disorders outside of Ben’s ethnicity. Which Ben really doesn’t need to know about. It was purely, “Hey, I know I shouldn’t tell you this, but dude, your wife’s sleeping around!”
And of course, Ben’s reaction was suitably assholish. (I think you left your high horse in Boston, sir. Time to dismount.)
The death of Connie’s boytoy was a relief. I didn’t want to watch any more of their lovers’ quarrels. ick.
I too hope we haven’t seen the last of young Moira (for um… purely artistic reasons… ahem.) Will Ben talk himself into a “rational” explanation for his “hallucinations” of her, or will he finally wise up to the weirdness of the house. He no longer seems terribly surprised by people (Hayden, Elizabeth, Tate) wandering in without triggering the alarms.
Two things:
Does Ben know that Hayden is dead? I’m pretty sure he saw her get buried, but he seems really nonchalant about having her ghost walk around the house.
I’m not thrilled with the introduction of an “end-of-the-world” threat. We get enough of that in other shows (e.g., Supernatural). It seems almost… pedestrian. I was hoping for something newer and creepier.
Aside from the whole “pope box” development, though, I really liked the most recent episode. I liked the introduction of the Black Dahlia, and I would welcome more stuff like that. Someone mentioned the Mansons, which I think would fit in nicely with the tone of the show. I was also laughing at the doctor stepping out of the shadows in a “maybe I can help!” way, both with the Dahlia and then with Constance’s boyfriend.
Ben seems to think it was all an extortion trick played on him by Hayden and the burned fellow. How he can justify that with the fact that he buried her and built a gazebo on top of her grave is beyond me.