Yeah, I keep trying to tell people to not trust the whole thing that “when the young generation comes up, the right wing is doomed!!” We’ve been hearing that for 50+ years and here we are with the rightiest right wing in a while in power and living large.
And I’m going to play my oldfart card and give the girl the benefit of the doubt and assume that choosing that for her mother’s ringtone is just because she herself recognizes how mortifyingly vile it is. (And someone tell the performer the word she’s looking for about halfway through is “uvula”.)
You actually listened to the video? Wow, my oldfart credentials are much better than yours. I took one look at the “cover,” and said “okay…not going there.”
I’m not a prude or anything and I doubt there was anything there that would shock me, I’ve just gotten to a point in life where crudeness bores me.
ETA: but now I’m so curious about the “uvula” issue I’m going to listen.
ETA again: okay, got it. Little dangly thing in the back of my throat. But that’s much more poetic than "uvula.
And these children that you spit on
As they try to change their worlds
Are immune to your consultations
They’re quite aware of what they’re going through
I would like to add that I support the expression of a defiantly open raw sexuality from a female perspective. It doesn’t appeal to me in the least (and would not have when I was 21 instead of 61) but that’s irrelevant. Even if it is hardly the pinnacle of feminist expression, I’d hate to see it censored.
Yes, clearly there have been grand accomplishments that have ushered us into a new dawn, where great things have gotten done. But the way we talk to people, individually and collectively has definitely digressed, the respect is gone. There are probably a multitude of reasons for this change, it isn’t all progressive related but that doesn’t change the fact that it is true.
Any old media coverage, interviews, school counselors, principals, they all show the same things, people in general have gotten less respectful.
I said you’d have a hard time convincing me that the 1980s were more respectful than today. So far, you’re just engaging in the same tired generalities. Do you mean that people were better mannered? That people in power experienced more deference from those over whom they held power? That media censorship was stronger?
If you mean those things, I might agree. But I don’t equate those with “respect.”
I certainly mean one of those things. I don’t equate deference to respect either, or censorship.
The same TRUE tired generalities.
To tie it to this thread, is the daughter being respectful, is the song she is using for her moms ringtone respectful? Is it a power dynamic that her parent’s want her deference?
And if she is, is she just being disrespectful because of the era she grew up in?
What if Kelleyanne and George take the kids, and their close relatives, bail out of the country before the election,…would you think they know something’s coming?
Just–writing a novel here…
No, that’s not dirty laundry. Dirty laundry is like, “My mom had an affair with Melania Trump,” or, “My dad wanders around the house in his boxers,” or, “My uncle has struggled with alcoholism for years.”
This is a teen playing a prank and bragging about it.
I dunno, I am struggling to figure out your definition of “dirty laundry.” To me, it means making things public that are embarrassing and/or that outsiders don’t need to know. That could include serious stuff (like your alcoholism example) or more trivial matters (like your boxer shorts example). But I don’t see the distinction between all of that, and sharing with the world that she is filing for emancipation and using a crude song for KA’s ringtone. To me, those are also examples, one serious and one trivial.
What rules are you using to determine when something is dirty laundry and when it’s not?
The ringtone is definitely a prank. She’s not making her phone play a crude song when mom calls, that could imply some sort of dirty laundry but not outright state anything. She’s making the ringtone for herself on her mom’s phone WAP , so if she calls her mom, a dirty song will play. It’s not telling secrets, it’s playing a joke on someone.
Heh. It’s all dirty laundry to me - but I also think whether we agree on that term is a side issue (yeah, I know, I started it). For me, the important thing is that she seems like someone who is deeply unhappy, feels trapped, and is letting the world know. I think we all agree on that much.
Dirty laundry is making a shameful private matter public.
The idea that you shouldn’t show your dirty laundry at any cost is pretty toxic. The idea that what goes on in a house should stay in the house is the most basic line of defense for abusers. "You have to let me abuse you because you’ll shame the family if you tell. "
The ring tone thing is a joke, a sneer. It’s not dirty laundry in any way shape or form.
Let me just say I would NEVER condone someone keeping silent about abuse. But I also think telling a trusted adult is the best place to start addressing the issue (along with documentation - that’s the beauty of the digital world, you can probably take photos and recordings).
I don’t know if Claudia attempted to deal with matters privately and was unsuccessful; or maybe there is literally no one she can turn to (it’s been pointed out, and I think it is a point well taken, that she is apparently home-schooled so has no school counselor). I do think tweeting all this stuff should be a last resort. Perhaps it is.
Not speaking about Claudia specifically, but victims of abuse often are really ambivalent about whether it is abuse. The behavior has become normalized and they worry they are “overreacting” or will be accused of "just looking for attention ". It’s not rational, because abuse doesn’t leave you rational. There’s no doubt in my mind that the whole paradigm that suggests that only a person of low character airs dirty laundry, seeks attention, etc. serves to perpetuate abuse in the culture as a whole. I’m really really hesitant to level those accusations against anyone.
