Asian girls and white guys

I’ll second most of what Hemlock said. In Japan as well, the WM/AF couples far outnumber the WF/AM couples. A large part of that is simply that more men than women come to Japan from the west, but even so, many western women I’ve talked with have complained about the lack of acceptable dating partners, whereas I’ve hardly ever heard guys make the same complaint.

Why? Pure speculation, but…

Family obligations may have a lot to do with it. Traditionally, wives become part of the husband’s family and are frequently expected to do whatever the new mum and dad tell them (especially if they’ve married the eldest son). If the wife is a westerner, there may be more occasions for wife vs. in-law culture clashes over how to run the household and raise the kids. When a daughter marries a western man, OTOH, her parents may be more likely to consider their daughter ‘grown up and gone away’ and not try to run the show (I’m ignoring the western in-laws here, but since I’m living in Japan, there’s not a whole lot my parents can do from 8,000 miles away. A/W couples outside Asia are another question).

I’ve had some interesting conversations with my housewife students about this. When it came to their daughters, many of the moms wanted them to marry foreigners (specifically me, in a few cases). There was a general perception among them that western guys were more romantic, more communicative, and took a more active role in raising kids and sharing household duties (A few of them also said they thought western guys were better in bed. I decided not to push them on how they made the comparison, but did nothing to dissuade them ;)) Of course, most of this was just based on movie images and media stereotypes, and I tried warning them against setting up false expectations, since there are more than a few guys here who have the “mail-order bride/submissive little kitchen slave” attitude TheLoadedDog mentioned.

When it came to their sons, however, their attitudes suddenly changed. Almost all of them wanted their sons (eldest especially) to marry Japanese women, usually because they expected the daughters-in-law to move in and take care of them when they got older, and worried that there would be too much cultural friction with a western daughter-in-law, or that the DIL would want to move the husband and kids back to her home country. The ones who weren’t opposed usually had sons that were working or studying overseas and had accepted that they had left the nest. Even then, the kids in question were usually second or later sons.

My (Japanese) fiancee just passed by, so I asked her opinion: “Asian women are better at English than men. And we’re smarter.” Well, there you have it.

About all the “blue chicks” comments; have any of you guys ever heard of the Blue Fugates of…Kentucky, I think? I’ll find a cite in a second.

Blue Fugates, by the master:

http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a980724.html

http://www.people.virginia.edu/~rjh9u/fugate.html & our very own http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a980724.html

d’oh! Beat me to the punch.

I’m awfully torn on this subject. On the one hand a lot of guys have the aforementioned creepy/condescending/vaguely racist “she’s skinny and I can push her around” attitude towards Asian women, but on the other hand, I myself have always found Asian women more attractive, especially after having returned from China. To me there’s no point anymore in pretending I don’t like Asian girls more, at least on the surface, than white girls; there are about as many attractive white girls around as there are unattractive Asian girls. Also, please excuse my insensitivity and shallowness, but a LOT of white girls are overweight beyond my acceptable limit. I saw more fat Americans in China than I saw fat Chinese.

On the other hand, despite my only girlfriend having been Chinese, (it WAS in China…) I don’t engage in some of the disgusting behavior towards Asian girls that some of my fellow honkies do. Though actually, I really don’t chase girls at all anyway.

Oh yeah, when I mentioned that I thought a lot of white guys who “got with” Asian girls were jerks to a Chinese-American guy, he said that their conversations are really asinine. To me, that points to shallow relationships.

I have a theory as to why white/asian couples tend to be white males paired with asian females.

Note: I have no cites for what I am about to say, I am just speaking my personal opinion based on what I have observed.

Heterosexual men are heterosexual because they are attracted towards femininity. Heterosexual women are hetero because they tend to be attracted toward masculinity. Asians tend to have a more feminine appearance, regardless of their sex. Whites tend to have a rather masculine appearance, regardless of their sex. Asian women are attracted toward masculine white males, while white men are drawn toward feminine asian females. Generally speaking.

Almost every male/female difference has a corresponding white/asian difference.

Men are taller than women. Whites are taller than asians. Generally speaking.

Men have longer noses than women. Whites have longer noses than asians. Generally speaking.

Men have bigger hands and feet than women. Whites have bigger hands and feet than asians. Generally speaking.

Men have heavier brows than women. Whites have heavier brows than asians. Generally speaking.

Men have stronger jawlines than women. Whites have stronger jawlines than asians. Generally speaking.

Men have more body hair than women. Whites have more body hair than asians. Generally speaking.

A white woman has to shave everything and put on a ton of makeup just to look feminine, whereas an asian man can put on a dress and a little makeup, and fool white people into thinking he’s a she. Generally speaking.

And I won’t even go into the whole weight issue.

It’s too bad there aren’t any asian women in Gobbler’s Knob.
Gobbler’s Knob sucks.

…But I usually only like butch-ish white girls. Oh no, I’m confused!

Surreal, that’s your opinion and you’re entitled to it. But I disagree with you very much on nearly all your points.

C’mon everyone can be honest now. It’s because us asian boys are ugly. I mean… Not ugly but…
Actually ugly is exactly what I meant.

Also, these fabulous stereotypes about us having logs up our asses do not help too much either. In a world where the west is culturally dominant, of course we’re going to use western standards and we’re going to look a bit dinky because of it (that’s my excuse, and i’m sticking to it).

But I’m not hideous, i’d go far as to say i’m mildly handsome (i’ve had random people tell me so… but only other Koreans). I just wanted to get that across. :smiley:

My theory is basically that the reason asian women go after white men in the states is because they’re better looking, while in the east it’s because they’re exotic (if you’ve been to a eastern country, you’ll know how rare you are), and let’s not forget better looking.

Oh, and Surreal, I always thought asians had thicker brows. I could be wrong.

If you think Surreal’s being, err… surreal in this thread, check out his contribution to the “black guys and white women” thread. Tears still pouring down my cheeks.

Anyway, kudos to Sublight’s fiancee for pointing out the role of linguistic ability in all this. It’s definitely a factor.

Asian women have been one of my secret fantasies for years. Interestingly enough, though, I can’t recall ever having met any in a social situation.
My wife has had a crush on James Shigeta ever since she saw Flower Drum Song.

Well, it’s true (I think) that the left coast has more Asians than most other parts of the US. But I don’t think it’s just white guys. In Japan, I knew several women who preferred black or South American guys. Just a matter of taste, I guess.

As for why it’s usually Asian girls and foreign guys, not the other way around, I tend to agree with this:

I know one white American woman who complained, while she was in Korea, that there were lots of Korean guys who wanted to date her, but none who would get serious. Even the dating was often a kind of secret from the guy’s family. (She eventually married a Korean-American guy.)

As for the submissive little kitchen-slave part, well. . . MrsO is a Korean woman, and there’s nothing particularly submissive about her. She’s pretty good in the kitchen, but I know better than to try to boss her around. (If I had wanted someone to boss around, I would have just got a dog.)

Oh god, this makes me ill.

It’s all HIS fault!

All these fucking white men who have a THING for Asian girls.

I went out with a guy who had a THING for Asian girls. It’s all the rage, it’s stylish right now to have a THING for Asian girls.

To me it borders on fetishism, because it seems to me that some men don’t really care what the girl is like, as long as she’s Asian.

Anyway, my ex would practically cream his pants every single time he ever saw an Asian girl and it made me feel quite inadequate.

I’ve never been racist, and I’ve tried to be politically correct, but this guy just made me so mad-

Because of him I started resenting every Asian girl I saw.
And then I hated myself for resenting Asian girls because I didn’t want to be racist.
And still now, every time a guy starts talking about how much hotter Asian girls are than white girls, I feel a little sick.

Dammit, being Asian is NOT the only Ideal of Beauty.

Anyway, a while ago I had a dream that this adorable Asian girl was giggling and showing off her underwear to everyone in the dorm. Everyone thought she was the cutest thing in the world.
Then she leaped on my back playfully and giggled, “I bet I could beat you up!! Hee hee hee…”

And I said “Oh yeah?” Then I threw her clear across the room where she smashed into a shelf full of paint cans, which came thumping down on her.

I am ashamed to admit how much pleasure that dream gave me.

waiting for Tsukabi

I’ve been noticing a lot of asian women with black men here in NYC. I wonder why that is? My girlfriend, who’s japanese, has a preference for black men as well. Damn, I’m lucky!

Dude, you live in California.

Now, I live a few hours away from you, so I don’t know how different it is, but people of asian descent are the majority here. In every all throughout school every class would be about 30%-60% Asian, 20%-30% Latino, 1%-10% black, and 20%-30% white. Every girlfriend I have ever had has been Asian. I guess after growing up here I have sort of developed a “thing” for it. But frankly the girls aren’t much different from others.
Well I take that back.
A second generation Asian girl is the best. Just the right amount of American culture, so that she is a nice polite, good student type, yet has grown a spine and are not as timid as mice. Or, and much worse, do not have that freaky “please walk all over and abuse me. My only pleasure is to give you pleasure” attitude.

What is weird is that I have only noticed the “Asian girls are HOT” thing recently. On other boards I would see guys talking about how much they love Asian girls.
I then started thinking about it and decided “you know what? They are damned right!”.
I then notice that they are posting from Podunk, Ohio.
I then sit back and smile. :smiley:

must go to Japan …

You’re absolutely right, Turpentine. There are a lot of fine women of all colors in this world, and I have no doubt that you’re one of them. Please don’t feel inadequate. (And please don’t beat up my wife if you ever see her.)

I’ll admit that I’ve always been drawn to women with dark hair and eyes, but that includes Asians, Latinas, black girls and white girls too. It’s just that I’ve been in Asia for the past 10 years. What was I supposed to do?