Ask the closeted bisexual guy!

Well, Essie, it’s not so much that something has changed externally. It’s more that I really thought about it from a less panicky place, and I realized that I was probably wrong about the severity of her probable reaction.

Don’t get me wrong: it would be a huge disaster, she would feel betrayed and hurt, and things would never be the same…I just don’t think she would leave and/or throw me out. I haven’t changed my intention to NEVER tell her, and I hope she never finds out just as much as I always have.

A beard is a person of the opposite sex (who may be gay or straight themselves) who knowingly agrees to date or marry a closeted gay person in order to lend credence to the closeted person’s official claims of heterosexuality.

Yes he is. I know from experience. But he’s also a WONDERFUL listener.

grins - love ya, hon.

I’m very sorry to hear about your troubles, Commander. I hope you’re back on your feet soon. And, hey, you have someone there for you - take advantage of that.

So is Chef going to be the only bi and/or poly who responds to my “which is easier to date” question?

Esprix

Esprix…I did! Sheesh…do I have to wear a pink feather boa and sing “Mame” to get any attention around here?

Sorry, dear - I thought your post was solely in response to Commander Fortune’s question about what gender to seek in her next relationship.

Esprix

Esprix: All right, I cam see that I answered CF’s question quite clearly, but didn’t really touch on the dating thing. I suppose I’ll give it a shot.

I have found men easier to date because I have been taught for my entire life that that’s what I’m supposed to do. Both parties usually have at least an idea of what’s expected of them.

When I have attempted to date (pick up, what have you) women, it’s harder because they don’t know how to react to me. I court like a man, and they never know what to say or do to respond. By “court like a man,” I mean I buy gifts, flowers, etc. I compliment the hell out of them. I never say anything untrue, mind you.

The problem is, they usually end up acting like the typical chick when courted by the typical guy, and get all coy and reserved. I hate that. You’d think with ANOTHER WOMAN they could get past all of the shitty role-playing and just EXIST, but no.

After my very few experiences trying to play “get to know you well” with other women, it surprises me that MOST men aren’t gay…women are a colossal pain in the ass to deal with.

So overall…I’d rather date men because it’s easier. I’d rather date women because I’m more attracted to them. Fortunately I’m married (to a man, but he’s an unusual sort) so I don’t have to worry about it any more.

(don’t bisexuals suck, actually having the CHOICE? Hee hee hee…)

No generalizations were harmed in the writing of this post.

Maybe I should clarify my answer to Essie’s question. I found it easier to ask women out initially; however, once the relationship was underway, men were usually easier to deal with, from a maintenance standpoint.

“Essie?” No, don’t like that, no, nope, not a bit, nope… :wink:

Esprix

How about if I call you “Gigi” (G.G., for Gay Guy)?

I just feel so faggy every time I hear your handle in my head. (“Esss-prEEEE!” outrageous gesture)

What the hell does it mean, anyway?

:wally

While toying around with ideas for a new AOL screen name, I ran across the word “esprit” which means “a clever or vivacious wit.” Sounds appropos, n’est-ce pas? :stuck_out_tongue: So for a while I used “Max Esprit” (as in “maximum”), but didn’t like it, so shortened it to “Esprix,” using the “x” from “Max.”

So nyeh. Esprix de corps and all that.

Esprix

Ok, so I’m a brand spanking new poster… hope ya’ll will forgive me :slight_smile: Anyway, I saw this thread and decided I just HAD to add my story.

I am a straight woman married to a bisexual man. We met in High School at the tender age of 15 and became instant friends. Married the month after our high school graduation (he had just turned 18, I was 17). I always knew about his attraction to men. it didn’t bother me. He never outright admitted to being gay or bi though. During the first couple of years we were married, we had a friend (ironically, the best man at our wedding) that we would fool around with, only twice was there actually penetration involved and both times it was between my husband and our friend. (my husband being the bottom). Soon after the first time they had had sex, my husband finally admitted to me (verbally) that he was bisexual. It didn’t bother me, I was a little taken a back at first, bt He assured me that he was in love with me and I had nothing to worry about.

Eventually we drifted apart from our friend and we focused our attention on our marraige, building our house, trying to start a family, etc… We would still go to gay bars/clubs together, and I even took him to his first pride day parade. Then, one day, 5 months after moving into our brand new house, (and 4 1/2 years into our marraige) he came to me and said that he wanted to persue a relationship with a man. I just kind of looked at him. not believing what I was hearing. Evidentally he had been thinking a lot about his sexuality and he felt that he needed the opportunity to explore it. He said that he thought he was gay, but was confused because he felt so strongly for me. Anyway, we decided that the best thing to do would be get a divorce. I wanted him to be happy and have the opportunity to explore this side of him, though I knew I wouldn’t be able to handle him having an actual relationship while we were still together. If he was really gay, well, I COULDN’T make him happy no matter how hard I tried, and then I would be miserable because I would know he needed to be with someone else. It was one of the hardest decisions I had to make.

I held his hand when he came out to his family the next day and spent countless hours on the phone with his mother (who didn’t take the news very well). He moved into the guest room and began dating and eventually met a really nice guy who became his boyfriend. I filed for divorce finally and he began sleeping at his boyfriends house almost every day. I would spend the nights alone in our bed and cry. Then Rob (my husband) asked me if he could bring his boyfriend home to spend the night at our house. I said no at first, knowing I wouldn’t be able to handle it, then eventually said yes, even inviting the boyfriend personally. My thinking was that it would force me to come to terms with my soon to be divorce and ex-husband’s sexuality. It was horrible sleeping (or trying to anyway) knowing the Rob was in the next room with his boyfriend. things went on like this for a while, the three of us hanging out together, even eating breakfast together in the mornings, and me crying myself to sleep at night. Then, a few weeks later, Rob’s boyfriend broke up with him. That same afternoon, Rob called me at work and asked me to come home for sex. In the back of my mind I was thinking…Don’t do it, it will be impossible to separate your feelings for him then! but the little devil on my shoulder said. “come on, it’ll be fun, just make sure it’s ‘just sex’ nothing more” So, I went home, and we made love like we never had before. He told me he loved me, wanted me back, he was sorry for what he put me through, etc. we went on like this for 3 days, having incredible sex, and him telling me how he had made a mistake. I couldn’t get it out of my head that he was gay, and getting back together wasn’t helping him come to terms with his sexuality. So I asked him to move out. He continued to try to court me while staying with his mother, and I continued to tell him no, it was getting harder and harder. Finally I gave in. Who was I kidding, I am in love with him! We did a lot of talking, and a lot of crying. He assured me that while he was mostly attracted to men, and had really cared about his boyfriend, his feelings for me were very strong. He loves me. He wants to spend the rest of his life with me, and he’s bisexual.

My reaction to him the second time he came out to me wasn’t as easy. I was convinced that he was on the rebound from being dumped, and he was saying he was bi to cover up the fact that he was gay. It took about another two weeks of him living with his mother and away from me, for me to come to terms with his sexuality. I didn’t have a problem with him being bisexual in principle, I just felt inadequate and unable to meet all of his needs and desires. Finally, I just got tiered of second guessing him. I decided to accept him and his sexuality, and love him unconditionally. I let him move back home.

His being out to our families and friends is harder for me to deal with than it was when it was just he and I knowing. sometimes I feel like people think I’m a beard, or I’m trying to “straighten him out”. i still feel inadequate sometimes because i’m not a man, even though he doesn’t do or say anything to make me feel that way. I’lm learning that living with and being married to an openly bisexual man (with a stronger pull towards men than women) is a lot different than just accepting and supporting his bisexuality. it’s a whole new ball game. but in less than a month, we will be celebrating our 5th anniversary. and our relationship has never been better. we love eachother, we fully trust eachother, and we are more open and honest with eachother. I love Rob. Rob is bisexual. and loving him means loving all of him. this is just one part of who he is, and I don’t think I would love him as much if he wasn’t.

Sorry this is so long :slight_smile:

Jmelee

Thank you so much for sharing your story with us. You strike me as a very tolerant person and Mr. jmelee is lucky to have you.

I gather that now you are back together, your husband has stopped seeing other men - do I have that right? Do you ever worry that he might backslide? Just curious.

My husband doesn’t date men anymore, though, now the majority of his friends are gay or bisexual men. I don’t think I really worry that he might backslide. I know that there are things that I can’t do or be for him that a man could. to me that is frustrating to no end. I won’t say that my husband will never be with another man again. that’s not realistic. but I do know that while we’re together, if he is with another man, I will know about it, and give my “permission” (permission doesn’t quite sound right, but I hope you know what I mean), and it will be under controlled circumstances that we both feel comfortable about. My biggest worry is not so much about the sex. it’s about love. and that is something that I can’t control. My feelings about sexuality (be it homosexuality, bisexuality or hetrosexuality) is it’s not just about sex, but about emotional attraction to a specific gender as well. forgive my crudeness, but I could strap on a dildo, but I’ll never BE a man. not that I’d want to, I love being a woman, but it is something that I can’t be for my husband. something he may need someday. THAT is what I worry about.

Jmelee

jmelee, you are a brave and loving soul. It’s so hard to realize that you can’t be ‘everything’ to someone that you love deeply. It sounds like y’all are on the right track though.

I found these parts to be most heartening:

“we love eachother, we fully trust eachother, and we are more open and honest with eachother.”

“but I do know that while we’re together … [if he has sex with someone else] … it will be under controlled circumstances that we both feel comfortable about”

Sounds like a workable relationship. In fact, it sounds like the beginnings of a good poly relationship. Honesty and trust are the most important parts, IME.* Welcome to the club! (We don’t have the toasters, sorry. Hey gang, should we start giving out something to new members? Fondue sets, maybe? :wink: )

Have you read any of the polyamory pages? They might have some insights and suggestions to help you deal with the fears and frustrations of feeling inadequate.

http://www.polyamory.org
http://www.lovemore.com

are good places to start.

Good luck to you both!

*No offense to you, ChefTroy. :slight_smile: I understand and respect your difficult decision; I’ve been in similar situations where honesty was NOT the best policy and keeping my mouth tightly shut was the only option. I’ve no patience with confessing ‘sins’ when it will only hurt your partner and provide no redeeming value. But I personally find those situations to be very limiting to the development of the relationship. If I can’t be my true self with my partner(s), then my relationship with them will be less than it could be. :frowning:

What could be a better “sign-up premium” for recruiting people to the poly lifestyle than a bicycle built for three? (you could say you were “bicyc-shual”.) grin

As for your concern about the long-term effects of my decision not to tell Mrs. Chef about my orientation, believe me, it’s not the first time someone has said it to me in this thread. And I wish I could be completely open with her about it, but I can’t. Anyway, I don’t really think most people know everything about their mates, even if they may think they do (whether they should know everything is another question). There are no-trespassing zones in everyone’s head. Certainly there are things about herself that Mrs. Chef has never told me (I know because I found out from other, unimpeachable sources)…and that’s okay with me. She’s entitled to her privacy.

grin Well, since we ride a tandem mountain bike, I rather like that concept. And ‘bicyc-shual’! :smiley: But have you any idea how expensive triples are? Not to mention quads & quints. After that it gets a bit, shall we say, impractical. (Although there was that 8-person bicycle I saw one time on some TV show…) That was why I thought of fondue sets - you get all of those extra forks. (Not to mention, I have a lovely collection of fondue sets in beautiful 70s colors - harvest gold, avocado, burnt orange - ahhhh. We had a fondue party one time and no one would reclaim their pots later. LOL)

Actually, I wasn’t really talking about that. As I said, I do understand your decision and the circumstances that require it. And I agree that it can be the best choice in some situations; since I’ve no way to judge your situation, I wouldn’t try to guess the long-term effects.

I was just afraid you might think I was committing a sideways slam. I can get into SO MUCH TROUBLE sometimes in e-communications that I’ve gotten paranoid about being mis-read. <pathetic wail> I’m so misunderstood! :slight_smile:

Absolutely!

Hehehe, you’re right. Fondue sets are a pretty apt metaphor - and don’t think I haven’t always wanted to be invited to one of those parties where everyone is invited to dip into all of the pots without worrying about who they belong to. :smiley:

I prefer choice a. I like the attention - and if the men are bi makes for more interesting sex.

I had a threesome once with 2 of the guys I was seeing. I was making out with one when the other knocked on the door and realized what we were doing. He asked if he could join in and the rest was history. (Though both guys were straight.) And that was in Austin, Texas - with no AC. Several fans work well. It’s a nice, sweaty affair. You could always take it to the shower to cool off…

I’ll take an avacodo green fondue set. Thanks :slight_smile:

It’s funny, when the hubby and I were 17 and 18 and were messing around with our friend, we used to say to eachother, “If we could just marry him it would be perfect!” of course, at the time we thought we were doing horrible, sinfull things. It didn’t help that we live in Utah, a very “straight and narrow” place, where two (or more) women are acceptable (ie. polygamist), but two men? for Shame!! It was only very recently that we had learned about Polyamorous relationships (we picked up a flier at pride day with the title “Have you ever considered non-monogomy?”) We both agree that it may be something we’d be interested in, but we’re still working through some issues between the two of us, that could create problems should we add another person.