I’m sorry, I’m going to have to back off that “advocate group” comment. I had stumbled across a link about a year ago during a Yahoo search, but I have no idea how to find the link again. I search for almost two hours and didn’t come up with anything similar.
However, there was one child pornography ring called “Pedo University” that was broken up recently. However, all of the reports I have read don’t specify the gender of the victims. It just says “underage teens”.
When I posted, I was actually referring more to the child prostitution industry in Southeast Asia and Indonesia that is a big draw for European and North American travelers.
Sorry, I couldn’t come up with any specific group names for you.
Further, no one has the right to put you into the situation where you feel the need to defend yourself. Sure you can ignore them (and that’s probably the best route), but they shouldn’t be doing it in the first place. I say if you’ve told your friends once you’re not gay and them saying so in public makes you uncomfortable and they still do it, then you have every right to be rude. Ignoring them, however, seems to be more your style.
I don’t care what anybody says about you, You’re the man Gay Guy
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{blink blink} Have people been saying anything other than that?
Thank you, Sky. For the record I think you’re cute, too, but now I know you’re a good guy, too, which makes for better friends.
This is a tough one. On the one hand, if he hasn’t come out to you or your co-workers, then he has his reasons (other out co-workers are irrelevant), and letting on that you know might either freak him out or fear you for invading his privacy. On the other hand, it might be a relief to him that you know and don’t care.
I think it all depends on your friendship with him and your working relationship with him. If both of those are good, and you’re playing the gender game, then just stop playing it. If you know his lover’s name, for example, reference him such as, “How’s your partner - Bob’s his name, right?” and just continue the conversation without making a big deal out of it. Or invite him and his lover over for dinner. Something like this, without making a loud pronouncement that you’re a liberal kinda guy, is pretty smooth, and proves you’re open-minded.
Oh, what a nice world it will be when assuming someone is gay is as natural as assuming they’re straight.
This is something else to note - NAMBLA is unusual inasmuch they specifically advocate underage boys. As Otto had pointed out previously, pedophiles are usually non-gender-specific, and will go after girls as well as boys. Sexual orientation is a distant secondary issue to pedophilia.
I wouldn’t blame GM for what happened to Flint, Michigan so much as I would blame Flint, Michigan itself. They built their entire economy around the good will of one large company. No safety nets or nothin’.
Incidentally, Redmond, Washington will suffer the same fate as Flint, Michigan if Microsoft decides to pack up and move.
I seem to recall that there is one such organization, called the Rene Guion Society, or something like that. I haven’t gone looking for them on the web, and I’m not going to either, since this isn’t my computer, and I don’t want any strange cookie files showing up between the time I logged on and the time I logged off.
Heck is where you go when you don’t believe in Gosh.
Dammit! I can’t find the site now, but i vividly recall a foot-fetish site specializing in young girls. It was just on the border between “bizarrely artistic” and “f*cking sick.”
I think the Misanthropic Bitch referred me to them, but i’m not sure. i’ll keep looking.
I’m just wondering why. If your penis dosent touch his mouth, where’s the danger? Or is it just that you don’t want to encourage behavior that could be dangerous with someone else, someone who, unlike you, was not known to be HIV negative?
I have a question for you. Do you think that you have the same general taste in guys as most girls do. I know that everyone’s tastes are different, but, in general, do you think yours similar to heterosexual girls’?
I’m not sure which angle you’re asking the question from. I said I was uncomfortable ejaculating in a guy’s mouth. Am I afraid I will give him HIV? No, as I know I’m negative. Am I afraid I will catch HIV from him if he’s positive simply by having my penis in his mouth? No, as I know that’s near impossible. I am simply conditioned, and therefore more comfortable, not doing so because it’s all I’ve ever known. When I get into a long-term, monogamous relationship, I look forward to getting rid of the condoms, but until them it’s safe or no play. I will also say that giving and receiving blowjobs without a condom is a level of risk I’m comfortable with, but it stops short of orgasm.
I have a very wide range of tastes in men - white, black, latino, asian, tall, short, blond, dark hair, butch, nelly, thin, muscular, beefy, smart, dumb… I’ve dated a lot of different kinds of men. I’ve found this to be a blessing for me, and a rarity among other people, both gay and straight, men and women. So I think I’m lucky, but I don’t think I could be compared to a straight woman in this regard.
Now, do we look for the same things? Perhaps - good looks (but this is the part where we differ - everybody has their own definition of what “good looks” means to them), sense of humor, decent person, whatever. The specifics may differ, but I think we’re all just looking for someone to make us happy, eh?
My questions, please: Years ago (too darn many I’m afraid) I read a library book that purported to explain the gay scene in San Francisco prior to the discovery of AIDS. The author was very graphic and wrote about a place where one could meet people and eat oysters. I was totally grossed out by his discussion of how the sex was wild, anonymous, multipartnered, and pretty darn gross to a high school girl. The worst thing I remember was that he said the floor was all slippery from you know what. Could he have been telling the truth?
I know you’ve written that the bath houses have now closed down. Is that true everywhere? I have heard that anonymous sex is back among more risk preferring types.
Question 3: I heard that at the Black & White Ball in NY a few years ago that there was an actual circumcism done on an adult during the ball. I find it hard to believe that this is true, but got it from someone who regularly attended the dances. Why would anyone want to see something like this?
Thank you (and cohorts) for your very informative and kind responses.
Well, I don’t know about the oysters part (never heard that before), but what you’re describing is about right.
In 1969 the Stonewall riots rocked New York City, and in a very real way the gay rights movement was born (although it had been growing for several decades prior to that). There was a newfound sense of freedom and openness among the gay community that had never existed before. Add this to the sexually permissive and experimental atmosphere of the “free love” late sixties and seventies, and the logical evolution of the gay sexual revolution was to express it through sex - and lots of it. San Francisco, of course, became the major focus of the gay community, and the Castro boomed. Gay bars thrived, and in them the back rooms were booming - walk in, drop 'em in the semi-darkness, and you’ll eventually get what you want, no questions, no obligations, no guilt, and no breakfast in the morning.
Of course there were consequences - we’re still living down the negative PR the radical right enjoys throwing around, monogamous relationships were frowned upon as “imitating straights” and not carving out our own path, and STDs rose dramatically. However, in the 1970’s, the worst thing you could get was spyph or herpes. Then AIDS (then known as GRID) starting cropping up in the very early 80’s (not sure of the year of its first observance), and by the mid-80’s, thousands of people were dying.
Things have changed.
AIDS was the second gay revolution, galvanizing the community not only into taking a collective look at itself, but starting to organize more comprehensively on political and social levels. Since it started out as a “gay disease,” we had to make people listen, and listen fast. This thrust into the national spotlight, plus the general social atmosphere of the 80’s, prompted more and more in the gay (and lesbian) community to re-define themselves on their own terms, rather than the traditional straight relationships, nor the sexually liberal gay relationships of the past. More and more, people really are carving their own road and making their own lives on their own terms.
Sadly, as almost a natural reaction to the above, there has been a very disturbing (to me) backlash among the next generation of gay folk. Our gay elders may speak fondly of the days of free love and hot sex of the 70’s, but they also saw their friends die. Those of us whose sexual attitudes were formed in the 80’s learned quickly, and safe sex was the accepted norm - we also saw people die. But now the gays of the 90’s aren’t seeing people die - AIDS and HIV cases are declining, people are living longer with new drugs, and there’s only so long you can keep someone’s attention on such an important subject before their interest wavers. Particularly with the development of new protease inhibitors, which is making strides towards preventing HIV and managing it longer, there is a very scary subculture of gay men who either are HIV positive and have sex with other HIV positive men (which, since there are different strains of the virus, is a bad move), or HIV negative men who actually don’t care if they get infected, figuring the drugs will either prevent them from actually developing AIDS or at least keep them alive indefinitely, or some who actually want to get infected, as twisted as that sounds. AIDS service groups have shifted a lot of their attention from supporting those with HIV and AIDS back to prevention, which, wistfully, we’d hoped the community had already learned.
Me, I came out in 1987, well into the epidemic, and I have never practiced unsafe sex, nor will I until I’m in a committed, monogamous relationship and we both test negative. I have friends who have waited as long as 5 years before dispensing with the sheath.
Please, if you ever hear of anyone, straight or gay, male or female, anyone not using a condom, beat them senseless and scare the hell out of them. AIDS IS NOT OVER.
Sounds like an urban legend to me, frankly, but there is a lot of kinky stuff out there. Some people like piercings, some like tattoos, some are into branding, some like a little bondage/S&M, so why not another form of self-mutilation or pain? Hey, whatever gets ya off. As long as it was “safe, sane and consensual,” go fer it.
