Attn losers: Go to Asia and get laid!

Yep. In fact, many ethnic groups from Europe have become “White” over time - Slavs, Italians, Greeks, and Eastern European Jews. Typically because they a) came to America in sizable numbers (escaping famine or war at home) b) struggled to “assimilate” (immigrants tended to be poor or working class, spoke little English, maintained many of the “old ways” regarding dress, food, and so forth, and c) were phenotypically different from Western/Northern European immigrants that came generations before (the “swarthy” European classes).

As a result of discrimination and pluck, they tended to settle in ethnic enclaves. Which explains why there are Little Italys and Greektowns in many East Coast urban cities. While many did in fact assimilate, learned English, dropped the foreign-sounding names… many others had accents that were too thick, or were too immersed in their native culture and refused to surrender it (despite the paying a social and economic price for doing so).

But for most immigrants, the third generation is where the Americanization process was complete. There’s a great book by Karen Brodkin called “How the Jews Became White Folks,” which goes into this issue at great depth.

OK, let me try this again. I’m sorry. Very sorry. You don’t look at all horrific. You look nice, actually. It’s just the damn camera angle I was commenting on. I’m sorry if you thought I was calling you ugly. I wasn’t. I’m sorry.

Really.

Yo, homegirl! Jak się masz?

See, now you’ve got me wondering whether there are a lot of places like this, or if it’s perhaps specific to the Detroit area, which is the specific part of “the midwest” I’m from.

That’s it. I’m off to IMHO to start a poll.

Well, it was a white woman who said this. A white woman who has never been to Japan (only Korea).

:dubious: Ignorance isn’t offensive if you’re white?

In Japan it’s called omiai, and pretty much doesn’t apply to gaijin. It’s generally done through a go-between {read: meddling busybody}, a third aunty or somesuch who knows of a nice fellow just your daughter’s age who’s looking to get wed, and how about if we arrange a meeting of the two families? My wife spat the dummy when, after we’d been living together for a couple of years, her mother tried to arrange an omiai meeting with a distant cousin down the line somewhere.

It has to do with racism, honestly. You see, the Asian woman to white man is the most socially acceptable mixed race marriage. Next seems to be white woman to black man. Asian man to any woman is pretty far down the list.

There’s also the difference in culture. Asian men are generally taught to be more interdependent, while Western women tend to value more assertive, independent men.

Oh, and what’s-her-name needs to not get so easily offended while in the Pit. OMG, someone dared tell you that you took a picture at a bad camera angle, and even dared to apologize for not liking that particular angle.

If we’re talking about East Asian guys living in Asia, a lot of the time they are under overt pressure from their families to find the right girl to get married and have kids no later than a certain time in life. Parents and older siblings can really make life hell for a guy who isn’t on the right track (in their eyes), and depending on his career there may be professional concerns as well.

Once they’re out of college, they’re not dating for fun but to fulfill an agenda, and that’s a turnoff for many girls Western and Eastern alike. I think a lot of Asian girls out here like to go out with Western guys precisely because they don’t want to fulfill some obedient stereotype. They’d rather have some fun instead.

The Asian guys also select themselves out of the pool of potential dating partners for Western girls, either out of intimidation or for fear of coming under explicit criticism from their families.

On one hand I agree with exactly what you mean. The idea that American is signified by skin is a deep slur against nonwhites.

On the other hand I’ve seen white defined to mean “American citizen”. Meaning to that person “white” black, east Asian, Arab, Latino, etc. are white if they’re American. I teased her about it, but it’s kind of an interesting idea. In Latin American cultures what defines you as Latino isn’t your race, it’s what languages you can speak, where you grew up, and/or what culture you were socialized in. We think Latino means brown skin, because Americans have a lot of contact with Mexicans which have a lot of Mestizo (Native American) ancestry, but Latino can be any race. While she could have used a better word then white, applying that perspective to Americans really shows how silly our notions of race are.

I guess what I’m saying is “American = white” is indeed incredibly offensive to most people, but people from differing cultural backgrounds might not mean the same thing by white that we do.

Nope.

Welcome to Happy Valley.

And its not called ignorance. Its called probability.

Everybody knows that Asian guys are generally smaller in a certain body part* so the simple logic is that any Asian woman would be thrilled to see my large, American-sized body part*.
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Stomach

“Happy Valley”?

And yes, it’s ignorant - most people know that Americans aren’t necessarily white. Even whites.

Edit: I should probably let this go, but I think it was the smug smiley at the end of your post that got me. Like “Hee-HAW! Whites don’t care about racism. Hee-HAW!”

looks around

I’m not wearing any.

The only thing I’ve learned from this thread is that as an American black male, I shouldn’t bother trying to move to Asia because I’m not on the top of the list.

I would have learned more, but I already knew that Diosa was half-orange, and I’m not ashamed to admit that I find that alluring.

That is a meme that has been passed around by the local sleeze media for decades. They’ve been doing it ever since they noticed that foreigners were dating ‘their’ women (yes, I’ve been publicly told to stay away from ‘our’ women more than once). They also love to ‘report’ on instances of domestic violence among ‘mixed couples’, subtly implying that they mean foreign men married to Japanese women, although they never ever report on the fact that around 80% of the total of so-called mixed couples in Japan are actually Japanese men married to foreign women (albeit mainly other Asians).

The message is: It might be fun for a while to date a blue-eyed foreigner, but there’s a good chance you’ll get beaten up, and/or ‘he’ will leave you once ‘he’ gets bored. You might even get a nice incurable venereal disease while you’re at it. Oh, and by the way, he’s just dating you for your money or the chance to get a working visa.

These warnings are all around the place, on posters at your local town hall, on the supermarket wall and spoken about in schools, for anyone who can read or understand Japanese.
I’ve seen more than my fair share of Japanese dongs while public bathing, and if they’re growers not showers like myself, then they aren’t that much bigger or smaller than anyone else. Variance exists, but so does it among other ethnic groups.

In any case, the most important point is - how many women do you know who choose dating partners by the size of their cock? The answer is, and will always be, zero.

Yet the sleeze media perpetuates this myth, because it serves a few functions. One it reinforces the ‘us’ vs ‘them’ mentality that is so important in Japan, and Two, it feeds into the self-loathing pity that sells mens magazines.

I’ve heard that some Japanese girls are really into black guys: YMMV.

Exotic women definitely get my attention. I would think that preference is beneficial from the POV of evolution. When people reproduce with people who are far from local, they presumably mix disparate gene pools, avoiding the expression of unwanted recessives, and so on.

Just a sidenote - almost every TEFL teacher I’ve known well (easily a dozen) ended up hooking up with another TEFL teacher rather than a local.

The one exception was a guy, who hooked up with a local guy (he wasn’t out, even to himself, when he left here).

The problem is that there is an unequal power dynamic (at least here in China.)

These teachers are not dating other teachers. They are not dating independent women with varied life experiences looking for an equal partner. They are not dating people who- like themselves- have jobs, ex’s, savings accounts, etc.

They are dating mixed up teenage or young early twenties students with a maturity level far lower than we’d expect of teenagers.

In China, young people in generally are less mature. Students go to school until late at night throughout high school. So they have not developed hobbies, dated, held part-time jobs or done any of the things that we expect young adults to have done. In college they live in guarded sex-segregated dorms with gates locked and lights out at eleven. It’s not unusual for students to be forbidden to leave campus during the week. Even when that’s not the rule, it ends up being the norm. My female freshman students reported that during the last year, most of them only went to my small cities downtown area (a ten minute walk from campus) once or twice. mostly because they are afraid of non-existent crime.

It is VERY different than an American’s college experience!

Since women in my part of China get married as soon out of college as possible, and most have a long-term fiancé/boyfriend well before then, that means that the guys here are dating girls in the 18-22 age range. There are no women in their mid-twenties age range to date.

That’s too young. My college students barely have a middle school maturity level. They giggle uncontrollably when I mention someone in a book getting pregnant. They have never been out of town without their parents, They have never earned their own money. Most of them have never dated. Remember, these kids are too scared to go downtown in a tiny city with almost no crime.

Suddenly swoops in this exotic foreigner. And even more exciting- that foreigner likes them! He shows them the attention they aren’t getting from their equally immature male classmates and their chronically overworked parents. He makes them feel mature by teaching them English cuss words and how to drink beer. He buys them clothes they could never afford and takes them to movies and restaurants. He teaches them about sex. Most of them are virgins or have only had one or two awkward high-school style sexual experiences.

They fall in love. They fall hard, middle school style. They are picking out baby names and doodling hearts in their notebooks. They drop their friends and shrug off their families to spend all of their afternoons in this foreigner’s bed. It’s full on obsession.

And then he gets bored and picks out a new girl.

It’s devastating. And the ends of these relationships get ugly. We are talking tears, a hundred answering machine messages, suicide threats, and everything else you’d expect from a scorned infatuated middle school student.

The guys who take advantage of women who are signifigantly less mature than them, mislead them into believing it is a relationship among equals with a shared goal, and them leave them high and dry when they get bored are predators, pure and simple. It’s not right.

I have no beef with people who date girls their own age, who make it clear if they have no intention of the relationship lasting more than a few months, who make it clear if they are not in love and are not going to fall in love (and do not continue the relationship if the woman really doesn’t understand that), who do not encourage their girlfriends to become infatuated when they are not equally infatuated, and who take care of the messes they make with these women’s lives when they are finished. But in my experience most guys don’t. They get want they want, go on and on about how they live in a virtual paradise where the girls are just throwing themselves at them, and don’t give a fuck what the girls they are screwing get out of it.

Hah! Clearly you’ve never heard of Takeru Kobayashi.