I haven’t even heard one bernie supporter say this in 2019 or 20.
I think it’s a little bit of a slur to say this about Bernie. He has said he would support Biden. His priorities are much more transparent than almost anyone else this season.
Do you see Bernie as inspiring enough? He got fewer votes this year in Michigan, Missouri, N. Carolina, and California than he did in 2016.
I’m at a point that it seems that Sanders’ most fervent supporters are similar to Trump’s fans: if something doesn’t go his way, it’s because it was rigged against him. Sanders is what the people want, and it’s only the nebulous establishment that’s keeping him from power.
(They also remind me of Trump supporters in that they seem to want an all-powerful strongman to impose their favored policies, and support their candidate under the theory that “only he can get it done.”)
You don’t need legions of enthusiastic Biden boosters if you have an army of enthusiastic Trump bashers. Normally “I’m not that guy” is about the worst platform to run on imaginable. But these aren’t normal times and this is much more a referendum election than is typical.
I mean Biden was near the bottom of my list as well( ironically I would have much preferred him in 2016 and I think he would have won ). Though admittedly slightly ahead of Sanders, who I also have issues with. They both mildly( not wildly )suck as far as I’m concerned :). But I’ll vote for Biden with an “enthusiastic” shrug and a ‘meh’, because I’d vote for a rotting slab of meatloaf if it would remove Trump.
All you need is enough people like me and Biden’s lack of oratory skills become a lot less impactful.
Do I think Biden can beat Trump? Yes. Because I believe most Democrats could beat Trump. And I include Biden with that most( I think Sanders would have longer odds personally, but even he would have had a shot ).
So Trump would be the Jameis Winston of candidates.
It’s hard to win as a dem for potus without an excited base. No, actually it hasn’t ever happened in our lifetimes. And Joe is going to be losing some of his base to the coronavirus. I hope you’re excited enough for everyone.
I don’t really think of people going nuts to vote for Bill Clinton. I mean, a lot of people liked him and his speeches, but he didn’t have that rock star reception that Obama got, for sure.
He probably would have lost if not for Perot.
Biden is looking for voters who don’t like him to be corrupt and mean, like us. But if his opponent has voters who actually like that and vote in favor of it, then what kind of success do you foresee by being real mean to turmp and accusing him of bad things? He is going to point at joe and say he is the same as me.
If you think it’s obvious that they aren’t the same, it is, but that only applies to this safe space we are in now.
So Biden supporters will all die off and Bernie supporters won’t come out to vote?
Heh! The is just the break Tulsi’s been waiting for.
After Trump’s speech tonight, it should be obvious even to Republicans that Trump is not fit for office. My biggest fear now is not whether or not Biden can beat Trump, which I think he almost certainly will. My fear now is that we, meaning not just Americans but all humans, will have some terrible luck and that Biden will catch the Coronavirus. Short of that, I think Trump has no chance.
Ok, what are the big things that cost Hillary that very close election?
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The Comey memo. Wont be one for Joe. Trump can try to blow the Hunter thing up, but Americans by and large arent buying it.
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Poor Campaign strategy, not spending and campaigning enough in purple states. I am sure the Joe’s people wont make this mistake.
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Being disliked. People just like Joe. He is likable.
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The Kremlin and the Bernie-bros ceaseless attacks on Hillary, many of them false. That will happen again. That is happening now. Some chance of Sanders reining his supporters in. The earlier Sanders concedes the less damage will be done.
Somewhat new thing:
- The GOP’s relentless crusade to disenfranchise minority voters under the guise of “voting fraud”. This will hurt, no doubt.
So, with 1, 2 & 3, not a issue, what we gotta worry about is 4 &5, but to some extent these are controlable.
Biden can win. Sanders could have won also, but it would have been harder. #4 of course would be entirely different. And a #6 : What the HELL does the kremlin have on Bernie that they want him to be the candidate vs their boy trump?
:eek:
That one worries me. But it’s doubtful Bernie will be the candidate @ 99-1.
Trump is a weak candidate whose approval is at 42% and who Biden beats by 11 points in the latest poll. The race may narrow and is already close in the swing states but there is no reason to be unduly pessimistic. Biden has the edge for now and the big uncertainties going forward from coronavirus/economy are probably to Trump’s disadvantage.
You really think that none of the law enforcement agencies packed with Trump appointees will fail come up with something for Joe?
I was for Elizabeth Warren. I was for her in 2016. Neither Gaffey Joe nor “Socialist” Bernie do much for me (although I did prefer Bernie to H.R.C. last time). But I’d vote for a rotting porcupine carcass before I’d ever vote for Lid’l’ Donny Drumpf (or anybody else like him) for Prez.
According to my wife even the National Review and the Washington Examiner - both usually very quick to defend this fraud of a president that we have - ripped into the Mango Idiot yesterday for his “crisis response.” Maybe that’ll make some kind of difference but I’m not holding my breath on that count.
Angry Lid’l’ Donny is an extremely weak candidate. Always was; always would’ve been; always will be (and leave it to Republicans to come up with a candidate like that - that moron never would’ve made it on the Dem side of things in a million years). That didn’t help Dems last time out. We’ll see if 2020 is different.
My impression, at a safe distance, is that Sanders has too much of the Hillary factor, meaning that there are people who actively dislike him. I don’t know a lot about either candidate, so pardon my stunning ignorance, but it looks to me as if a safely bland and moderate candidate such as Biden has a better chance of getting the Republicans who ware having second thoughts about the monster they elected in 2016 but won’t go for a more radical left-wing candidate such as Sanders.
It’s up to the voters to decide who is to be the candidate. But I wold bet serious money that Biden could beat Trump, even if narrowly. But narrowly is enough, as G. W. Bush and Trump could tell you. I would also bet that Sanders would fail, and probably by a wider margin. But that’s only my best guess.
Biden reminds me of a character in a favorite show. The Robot in Lost in Space, the 60s version not the new one.