Bernie can’t do that. That would require an act of Congress. The chances will be the same no matter what Democrat becomes president. The only way it passes is if all Democratas support it, and that’s enough to pass it. That’s highly unlikely, given how hard it was to even pass the ACA.
It seems likely Trump will lose more. The first demographic where he won a majority was among people over 50.
Biden isn’t the enthusiastic guy I would like, but Bernie is the guy who chose to say he’s a socialist and continue to support Castro. He also just largely doesn’t play well with others–he doesn’t seem to care to get any of the other candidates or Dems to like him.
His hope was to get out the youth vote, but he didn’t. So now we’re back to hoping that we can have a more moderate candidate to appeal to the swing voters. We’re back to Dana Carvey (as GW Bush)'s claim that you have to cozy to the middle to win.
I know that my mom, who believes me that Trump is awful, also said that she didn’t Bernie in the exact same way she said it about Clinton. And she doesn’t generally dislike people. I’m glad I’m not going to have to convince her to vote for him anyways to stop Trump.
Sanders UHC plan- which has nothing whatsoever to do with Medicare- is the cadillac of UHC plans and requires a total dismantling of the uS health care system, getting rid of every health insurance company, putting tens of thousands out of work, and having every Doctor and Nurse now work solely for the Government. Mind you, it is a very complete plan. But it could never, ever pass Congress in a million years, not even if the Dems had solid control over both houses. It’s a pipe dream.
Biden is proposing things that could actually pass Congress.
If “big action” wont pass, but smaller action can- which works better?
By Sanders, actually, according to Warren herself.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/06/joe-biden-legalize-marijuana-111642
In the recording, Biden restated his cannabis plan — which would decriminalize cannabis, expunge some cannabis-related records, make medical marijuana legal and create opportunities for more research — adding twice that he does not believe cannabis is “a gateway drug.” He then said he thinks cannabis needs to be “basically, legalized.” Biden wants the states to handle legalization, the Feds will just decriminalize, allowing them to do so.
Sanders UHC plan can never, ever pass Congress. Joe knows that so his plan is:
https://joebiden.com/healthcare/
All Americans will have a new, more affordable option. The public option, like Medicare, will negotiate prices with providers, providing a more affordable option for many Americans who today find their health insurance too expensive.
Biden will get every American free college for two years.
https://joebiden.com/beyondhs/
And- Bernie has lost. He’s done. Stick a fork in him.
Interesting poll. Biden beats Trump in Arizona, but Sanders loses to Trump in Arizona.
I was just explaining why he will, and ought to, stay in the race and debate Joe for the good of democracy.
Or maybe it’s a better idea to take the dude whose ideas are the present and future of the party, and Bidens platform too, and act like his ideas don’t matter a pip for democracy. What a great look for the democratic party.
Oh, is Sanders a Democrat? I thought of him more as a coattail rider.
That would be a new one on me.
He is making the polices that are the future of the party.
He ran in 2016 and won a national platform for his 2020 bid.
He is the favorite of younger voters.
I will vote for Joe if he’s up, but on the “hack/vacuous” scale he trounces Bernie Sanders. He is a suit that they fill up with the former vp, and we have to hope he is not a dead hand.
I wonder if those results are because of Trumps terrible treatment of McCain before and after his death. I mean Trump tried to vilified a beloved Senator and war hero (to enough of the Arizona populous) and Biden gave his eulogy.
Who don’t actually get out and, you know, vote.
You know what would be a great look for the Democratic Party? Winning. But Bernie is an ideologue and not a democrat. Winning is secondary to pushing his ideology. That’s an outlook followed by the #demexit crowd. If his ideas were the present of the party he would be beating Biden.
If you are a democrat this is a decent point to make. But Biden’s policy planks are under the sway of the democratic socialist.
So he’s the coat chaser.
I guess its the way of the mob here that bernie can’t win the election. But Biden is not strong. it took Clyburn. There was no steam.
I hope you’re all right.
Of course it’s the idiot voters’ fault. How did you expect me to respond?
Beats me. I don’t work behind the scenes. All I know is that Elizabeth Warren, the best candidate for Prez this cycle (no matter WHAT “Loach” thinks [if what he/she does can honestly be referred to as “thinking”]) is now out of the race. Which means that who wins in November is pretty much up in the air (at best if you want the Mango Idiot out of the W.H. which I most certainly do).
I don’t think Biden is strong either. He worries the hell out of me. The way I see it his downsides are less than Bernie’s and a hell of a lot less than Trump.
Actually, what you think of as Biden’s weakness is he’s strength, and ironically, it’s Sanders’ weakness.
Biden has developed a strong network of personal relationships in congress, and that network is how you actually build coalitions in congress to make or break legislation.
I respect Bernie Sanders’ passion and his causes - I agree with many of his ideas, either fully or partially. And I still think he’d be a bad president, and perhaps it’s for this reason more than any other: Bernie doesn’t really seem to have strong friendships or relationships in congress.
That might not seem important, but it is, because when you’re whipping votes you need to know where people stand as legislation is introduced, as it’s being worked on in committee, as it’s coming out of committee, and is it’s proposed in one house and sent to the other. I’m not saying Bernie doesn’t understand how this works - he’s been a multi-term senator, after all. But I am saying that Joe Biden seems to have more experience and success in this area.
*his strength, not he’s :smack:
I can’t say I know what his successes are. He’s been around the block? I think you are projecting too much onto this.
He needs to win first, in order to be that guy who bests bernie in “working with others”
But some think he can’t win in the first place.
A lot of talk here about how the democrats are speaking loud and clear etc. in rejecting Bernie. But it was the african american influence on this that made it happen. Any black american who was even vaguely happy about having a black US potus for 8 years has been dragged through the worst prefascist destruction of a potus’ legacy, all for a sick hateful ideology in the oval office.
I am so disgusted by this, that I have no problem with a black vote in favor of Biden as embodying the legacy that is being tarnished so viciously. But I have fears about whether he can win.
Look it up. Biden had a reputation as a Senator who got laws passed. He may not have the best skills as a public figure but he has great legislative skills.