No, we’re here in this thread to harp on catsix for saying something she didn’t say, and come up with worthless semantic reasons for doing it. Or at least that’s what most people seem to be here for, and that’s why the thread was started. I’m here in defense of someone who’s opinions don’t jibe with most people’s here, and who is therefore seeing the absolute worst the SDMB has to offer. Like I said, these kind of pile-ons are some of the ugliest examples of human behavior. People feel free to attack others for having the wrong opinions over the safety of the internet.
catsix has never shown any reluctance to show up in debates and express her point of view; witness the circumcision thread in the pit some months back. If you want a debate, go start a debate. If you want to add to the pile-on, hang around some more.
That you are. Just try to do it without falsely attributing bigotry to her, as the people in this thread have been doing.
As Excalibre said, I have no problem detabing from my viewpoint in threads about any topic I’ve got an interest in. I’ve debated (hotheadedly at times) in threads about abortion, gun control, circumcision, rape, smoking bans and a whole bunch of other topics too.
I don’t see any point in further responding to flames for things I didn’t say, or for mischaracterizations of things I did. I also see no point in rehashing certain topics on which an agreement with my opponents is unlikely to ever be reached, which is why I’m not interested in doing the feminism debate again. I’ve done it, at length. To do it again would accomplish nothing but a really long thread full of a whole lot of flames.
Maybe I am finally learning to not beat some of the dead horses.
Sorry I’m so late in replying in kind…Nice to meet you too!!! (been working like a fiend and fighting yet another bout of insomnia).
I totally agree with your second sentence. I don’t think men and women are natural enemies NOR do i believe that either sex is oppressed or defenseless. And that is where catsix and most on this board differ, she does. She frequently butts into a post, or thread complaining about some woman done wrong in some way with strenuous objections and complaints of how men have it so much worse, and “now you know how men feel” etc.
Despite cites to the contrary, she continues to cling to the belief that there is some secret conspiracy designed to rid the world of men. But, again, I find it interesting, and debating this subject with her to be fun. I don’t join in those wishing her gone.
You’re wasting your breath. The second you say 'I’m a feminist" it matters NOT that your personal views DON’T match catsix’s idea of what feminism is at all, you immediately, in catsix’s mind, become Andrea whatserface, or Whosiwats McKinnon. The word itself, catsix believes, is the same as 'bigoted sexist freak".
We adore men and sex…Doesn’t matter, we’re the same as whoever the heck it was that equated men to rape. We work just as hard for the rights of our husbands, sons and brothers, doesn’t matter to ole catsix. We’re still the fringe freaks in NOW etc.
Doesnt’ matter that not a one of us has ever oppressed a man or tried to eradicate one, nor been fringe loony. Doesn’t matter that we’ve even supported men in the fight against unfairness. It’s the WORD that “proves” to her that we’re bad.
It matters not that most women in this day and age would identify themselves as feminists. catsix and catsix alone knows the True meaning of the word “feminist”, and the secret society it conceals (whose evil plot is to eradicate men from the planet MWAaaaha Haaaaa).
In the post that you’re tearing apart here, she did NOT diagnose them… She said that she MIGHT benefit from counseling.
Perhaps you missed the several people, including catsix who shared that catsix TOLD people of her issues with her own body image, to the extent that at one point she was covering up all of the mirrors in her house.
And you OBVIOUSLY missed that KellyM clarified that she did NOT in fact tell cat “what to do with her body” by way of saying “visit a psychiatrist instead of losing weight”. She suggested that she seek counseling regarding her body issues, body issues catsix has already discussed in previous threads, NOT that she do that instead of losing weight.
What her original comment consisted of was that I should see a shrink and learn to accept my body the way it is. My opinion of her, because of her demonstrated hypocrisy and ability to go off the freaking deep end after a personal insult is laid at her and start screaming that it’s hate speech against transsexuals is unlikely to change. I considered her a hypocritical asshole before, and I consider her one now.
I also think she needs to learn that my opinion is about her and her alone.
This is the last time I’ll humor this semantic nitpickery. It doesn’t matter precisely what KellyM said, since “go get therapy” is an insult regardless. People use it with that specific intent all the time, and even if KellyM’s motives were pure as Jesus’s sweat, she said something insulting. Even if she believes that catsix needs therapy. Even if she encouraged catsix to embark upon a healthy weight-loss plan. Even if she offered to buy catsix a Porsche. “Go get therapy” is an insulting thing to say, and her insult was returned.
Adults don’t presume to tell other adults that their minds are broken - at least not casual acquaintances. You are perfectly in your right to feel that catsix has body image issues; you may think it’s utterly apparent. catsix herself may have said so. However, if catsix feels it is necessary, she will make the decision to address them on her own. Adults make their own decisions, and if that includes not addressing what you consider to be obvious psychological problems, it’s their own right.
Since I have no idea what catsix looks like, I couldn’t begin to guess whether or not she is overweight. Whether she is or she isn’t, it’s her own decision do address it how she chooses. If you feel her decision is wrong, take comfort in the fact that your life is not affected by it.
Thank you. You put your finger on an issue that has bugged me ever since this thing began- that telling someone to go seek therapy is some sort of value neutral statement. It’s not, excluding a conversation wherein one party *asks * if they need to seek therapy.
Some people think that everyone can benefit from therapy, or that everyone should go. More power to you, if you think this way, and go yourself. But to suggest it to someone else is a backhanded way of saying ‘you’re crazy.’
I don’t think they’re “some of the ugliest examples of human behavior.” Jesus fucking Christ, man. It’s an internet message board. Let’s try to keep some perspective, okay?
I tend to look unkindly on mobs of people using the internet to do what they all would be scared to do one-on-one, in real life. Miller, if you think you’re justified in joining with the mob here, that’s your perogative. And it’s mine to tell you to fuck off, you pathetic little twit.
I’m not (necessarily) defending pile-ons, I’m just vastly amused that you seem to consider them “the ugliest examples of human behavior.” Buddy, if you think that’s true, I’d love to live in your world.
And would you say that to me one-on-one, in real life?
