AFAICT, you didn’t even attempt to make the case of your OP, which would involve quoting just which posts you thought were indicative of junior modding, not just generalized complaints about both content and tone.
You say Joe “thinks he’s a moderator” and “tells people which threads they can and cannot participate in.” and “what they can and cannot say.” I see no evidence of this in the threads you reference. Cite?
Again, let’s not jump all over Joe’s attitude until such time as we stop pitting him unfairly, hmm?
There is something genuinely saddening about the continued sniping between two men who ought to joined in their common love of Jesus. You guys are supposed to be brothers in Christ, so why do you two behave like a couple of Boston fish wives?
Can’t both of you count to ten, apologize to each other sincerely, and make a renewed effort to forgive each other as you wish to be forgiven, which, IIRC, are the terms your Boss laid down?
He’s been left out of it for the most part so far, gobear, except in the instances where religion has been mentioned, and … I dunno, but if I were God I think I’d want to be left out of any relation to this thread. It’s like a train-wreck in slow motion. Just as loud, just as violent, but if you look closely you can see not only the metal crunching into people but bones being shattered, and there’s a little child’s teddy bear laying about ten meters to your left. Alone. Bloody. With an arm missing.
My opinion will matter as much to some of the people here as a piece of felt, but common ground might best be reached simply by saying “We’re not going to accomplish anything for the common good here, so let’s just chalk another one up to human imperfection and be glad things didn’t get worse.”
I’ve seen better behavior from teenagers in IMHO. Or GD. Or GQ.
Well, gobear: According to you know who, I ain’t no Christian. One guess how that makes me think about anything else he’s got to say. Of course, I am quite amused that for him whether I accept his apology or not has anything to do with the veracity of it.
Monty, now is the time to step up and let actions be witness to your faith. Same goes for you, Joe_Cool. IIRC, the two greatest commandments are to love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, and mind and to love your neighbor as you love yourself. Jesus didn’t say, “Love your neighbor until he pisses you off, and then it’s go time.” Jesus, who you two supposedly revere as the incarnation of God on earth, was all about the love, not petty spite. When Jesus was beaten by the Romans before He was crucified, He didn’t say, “OK, motherfuckers, I’m taking names and all y’all are going to burn in Hell like little bitches!” He said, “Forgive them, Father, they don’t know what they’re doing.”
Why can’t you guys drop the hostility and love each other?
You’re absolutely correct. While I won’t ever stop being peeved over people deciding they’re the Big JC (which is exactly what they’re doing when they have the gall, yes gall, to tell me my church isn’t Christian), I can let this one drop.
Well, I did ask you to explain the apparent discrepancy between the Bible’s “Hear O Israel, the Lord your God is One” and Brigham Young’s “many gods and many worlds,” but you’d rather argue than clear up a misunderstanding that an outsider has about your faith.
I believe that God IS, and that’s it. The bible says he was from everlasting to everlasting, and is eternally unchanging.
Smith and Young say that there are many gods, ruling over many worlds - all mortal men who have been promoted - and that any of us can become gods ourselves. That sounds an awful lot like what the serpent said in the garden to Eve: For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God.
I’m not attacking you, and I’m not insulting you. I’ve explained the reason why I believe what I do about your church, and I’m asking you to show me how I’m wrong. Are you still going to refuse?
Well, I tried. Joe_Cool, isn’t behaving as a Christian more in line with Jesus’s wishes than arguing over doctrine? Who cares about the discrepancy between Brigham Young and the Psalms? That will be sorted out later. Right now, at this moment, the quality of your Christian witness is being shown in your behavior. Will you step up and agree to put the hostilities on hold?
So, how do you explain the apparent discrepancy between the Torah’s “Shma Israel adonai elohaynu adonai echad. (Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one.)” with your notions of a “Trinity”?*
Hint: One != Three or even Three-In-One. The Jewish interpretation is “Indivisible”. This page says::
which is in direct violation of Jewish teaching. One means one not “three distinct persons”.
Other explainations I’ve heard have a God wears a Jesus Hat, a Holy Spirit Hat and a Father hat depending on the job. (Or, more commonly, it’s an “One egg = yolk/white/shell” type explaination, but since both of those are hereticical (monarchianism and/or modalism. depending on the phrasing), I’d be interested in your explaination.
Fenris
*This really isn’t directed at other Christians. I know how, say, Polycarp would answer that question: we had an interesting discussion about it. But since Joe is all hepped up about attacking other’s religions, I thought it would be interesting to see how he deals with the exact same problem.
Get over yourself, Joe. If Fenris wanted to see a fight, I am sure he would want more than you could provide, you intellectually stunted warrior for all that is right and true.
gobear said nothing about being unable to discuss doctrinal issues. He did validly point out that perhaps fulfilling the intent is more important than discussing boilerplate.
And as I’m quite sure you have a zinger stored up about my supposed lack of content, I’ll relieve you of that and point you back to the point about doctrine.
Joe, Jesus** did tell His disciples to be vicious and uncharitable in His name, did He? He DID say “Love one another as I have loved you.” He said, “Love your enemy, bless those who curse you, pray for those who insult you in every way.”
So…you can’t or won’t answer a question of mine? And how do you reconcile your unwillingness to answer as well as the snarky tone of your response in light of 1 Peter 3:15?
gobear did this exact same thing last year with Monty and I.
Its ironic, to say the least, when an avowed atheist (I think) posts more Christ-like wisodm on here than His4ever.
Ah well, a sign of the end.
