As for me, personally, the comments don’t do much more than make me wince as if I was in the presence of Beavis or Butthead.
I don’t think it’s worth getting all activistically indignant on behalf of oppressed lesbians.
It’s not as if somebody like that is ever actually going to talk to a woman, much less try to get it on with a lesbian so it’s not really worth worrying about.
Okay… I’m a lesbian, and it rather annoys me quite a bit. Of course, it’s worse in real life. Slash ideas don’t annoy me at all, on the other hand, since they’re usually about fictional characters and fictional situations. But if you say you want to try to change ME, I’d be offended as hell. The flirting with lesbians bit isn’t so bad as long as it’s obviously in jest, but if I thought you were serious, of course I’d find it obnoxious and rude. And unfortunately I’ve met those guys who clearly have intentions of changing my orientation. I know there are some ‘lesbians’ who are just undecided, but honestly, there are those of us who just plain aren’t interested. :mad: Grrr.
The comments spoken about in the op are obnoxious, more obnoxious by far than slash about fictional characters, less obnoxious than the intention to ‘change’ a lesbian in particular. Obnoxious enough that I wouldn’t want to spend a lot of time around a person inclined to make those jokes frequently. Obnoxious enough to start a pit thread? Maybe.
Real live lesbian here. Personally, I find those jokes to be incrediably stupid and offensive. Hopefully, some people will read this thread and realize that it’s fucking annoying to lesbians to have their relationships constantly demeaned by straight men in this way. I don’t have a problem with guys thinking two girls together is hot. I do have a problem with straights guys making lewd suggestions that either directly or indirectly to imply that I should get myself some cock. You say it’s a joke. Great. And some people are just kidding when they use the word gay or nigger or whatever.
Basically, I don’t think Esprix was out of line for starting this thread, and hopefully some people will read this and realize that some of the ‘jokes’ they make are just rude, and that they should cut it out if they don’t want to seem jerkish or boorish.
I understand where Esprix is coming from. I’m white and straight and the only stigma attached to me is from asswipes who are also white and straight saying stupid things (although I’ve added to that occasionally too).
I lived with a lesbian couple for several years and got tired (very tired) of aquiantances of mine asking me the ‘do they let you watch?’ question if they learned of my housemates’ sexual preferences. It came from almost every man I knew. Most of them learned from mutual aquiantances that had been to my home. The worst part was that most of them were asking the question seriously. After a while I started answering them in the same tone as the OP carried.
Now you can continue to flame Esprix as if I never posted, although I agree with him.
And I do know I spelled acquaintance wrong both times…
Actually, as you are NOT a One-Trick Pony you needn’t worry. Gay issues are a fine topic of conversation and there is much progress yet to be made in the understanding and acceptance. My comments were made because of a dreary sameness in the topics of Esprix’s rants, where the entertainment value for me comes from affection and respect for him as a person and as a user of the English language, yet I find myself rolling my eyes and asking, “Is he at it AGAIN?” Good lord, I’ve been away for OVER A YEAR and I reacted that way. And I am sure there are people who have reacted to my posts since my return the same way, “Same shit as a year ago. Hasn’t he advanced at all?”
(sigh) Or is it just that we, as a group, are becoming like old married people. We’ve heard everybody’s stories and rants before and the only way to avoid an argument is by lapsing into an uncomfortable silence?
No offense to Esprix, or to any other poster, but if we can’t have immature, childishly offensive semi-flirt threads about lesbian sex on the SDMB, the terrorists have won.
And darn you to heck, Coldfire, for putting the kibosh on the lascivious descriptions of hot lesbian romance every arrested adolescent opened the thread slavering for. Darn you to heck, I say.
Regards,
Shodan the Salaciously Disappointed
Yup, the comments are rude and offensive, and (importantly) not funny.
It’s not flirting - that is the interaction of two people; these comments are one-sided.
jarbabyj -** Esprix** never said that those posters make those comments all the time. Those comments were included as examples of offensive statements that some guys do use pretty often. See the disclaimer at the end of the OP:
TaxGuy: such comments offend not only** Esprix**, but a specific section of the population, a section which is still subject to discrimination. That is why this thread is justified.
I am a lesbian, btw. It’s amazing how often that comes up on these boards. I should just put it in my sig!
Damn… this thread makes me glad that, as a hetero male of the species, I’m not particularly aroused by seeing two women “go at it.” Am I really the only one?
That said, I completely see Esprix’s point here. Comments like the “lesbian in a man’s body” one are at the very last annoying, and in many cases they are offensive, as it pretty much belittles what lesbians experience. I don’t care for it meself, but I’m sure it’s as rewarding and pleasurable for them as good ol’ boy-girl sex is for me and my wife.
I, for example, hate it when people (some people, mind you) describe heterosexual, non-BDSM sex as “vanilla.” In many cases, it feels derogatory and belittling. I see what Esprix is talking about in the same light, for LGBT folks.
But gobear, don’t you know that all of life is just a sideshow for the pleasure of straight men? That anything sexual that does not tickle the fancy of straight men is abhorrent, strange or just not sexy?
Jeez, what world are you living in? Hint: James Brown knows. It’s a maaaan’s world
This is a good analogy, but I think an even better one would be if every single time there was a straight sex thread, several gay male posters popped in and said, “Wow, that’s hot! I’ll bet you look really great having sex with your wife! I’d sure love to fuck you up the ass while you’re doing her, then come all over your face. That would be awesome!”
I’d be very surprised if that happened more than once and didn’t result in a pit thread. It’s obnoxious and rude to make sexual remarks at people who by definition aren’t interested.
I also understand where Esprix & Who_me? are coming from…
I am straight and lived with a lesbian couple for a few years also. One member of the couple happened to be my sister. I still
got all kinds of asshat comments ‘do I get to watch or participate ? could they watch sometime ? it must be one big orgy there !’. I mean come on people… it’s my sister for Og’s sake. My sister also occasionally gets a troll harassing her, because she openly has lesbian in her profile. Including a comment that she does NOT like penis’s (peni ?). What part of NO don’t you understand ?
Wow, when I posted this:
I never dreamed it would cause such a fuss. The original OP said:
I thought that this (the fact that Disney was catching flak) was absurd and meant my comment to be in the same vein as
Honest, I was trying to offer support. Did people think the OP was suggesting that children really will want to become homesexual from hearing a lesbian’s voice?
I certainly did not mean to give offense though, and I offer a sincere apology.
I gotta say though, I think I’m getting beat up pretty hard. I honestly believe that I am usually a gentleman throughout my posts. I really don’t believe that I deserved this:
Still, whether I intended to give offense or not, it seems that I have and for that I will again offer an apology.
Contritely,
Khadaji
Khadaji - actually, I did read the thread before, and I took your comment in the manner it was intended. It was quite funny, because you were parodying the precise offensive comments we’re talking about. However, the strong reactions are probably due to your comment unfortunately being the most recent in several similar ones that those posters have heard. Good on you for offering an apology anyway. 
That doesn’t detract from the main point of the OP though. ‘Can I watch?’, etc, is not funny. It was even asked seriously in the ‘ask the lesbian’ thread.
Sadly, most straight guys are so clueless that they’d respond with a slow grin and a boozy fratboy chuckle.
Ignorance is fought one person at a time. It’s almost like clockwork, some new person popping up with one of these dipshit comments on a regular basis. Of course, they get jumped on, and if they have more than two brain cells, they’ll figure out they were being stupid and obnoxious and will knock it off, as evidenced by blessedwolf’s note above. But because human beings are congenitally incapable of learning from other people’s mistakes, it can be assumed that we’ll have to have the same conversation a month later when the next person spews the same garbage.
Instead of pointing an angry finger at the people who keep trying to stem the flow of ignorant crap, why don’t you participate in the stemming? Why are you blaming the ignorance on those who are trying to fight it? You know the old saying, if you aren’t part of the solution… (The same can be said to you, also, dropzone. Quit blaming the messenger. Blame those who make the message painfully and repeatedly necessary.)
SciFiSam, I’m not sure if it was to me you were referring in the “Ask the Lesbian” thread because I think there were a couple of other people who brought up the topic. Nevertheless, I want to clear this up: I asked if I could watch cause I thought it would be funny as I am female and it could be construed as a legitimate and possibly welcome come-on, ironically as I’m aware of the type that usually asks that question. Sorry if I offended anyone. And, I know, it’s always the person who says the least offensive thing that apologizes, but still.
I only said “can I watch” to a bisexual guy I know on SAAN-but that was only because a bunch of us were trading smart ass remarks-and we tend to say really offensive things totally in jest, sort of like Something Awful, but without the goatsec.
Frankly, I think it’s rather interesting that TaxGuy is taking Esprix to task in this thread for being offended by a comment that many other people have claimed offense at when TaxGuy is the same guy that was getting his shirt in a knot about a comment being descriminatory against rich people. I mean, heaven’s knows that those rich people are consistantly picked on.
“Heavens - we can’t have Marshal in the club - he’s a lawyer making $200,000/year - eww.”
or how bout
“Gosh did you hear about the Smith’s daughter - she’s marrying a <gasp> doctor - they’re going to have way too much money - what a shame.”
or finally
“Did you hear about Bobby Jones - his parents are rich - jeez, what a loser!”
Dude - you really need to step back from the pile of T4’s on yer desk - I think the ink is making your brain funny.
(The strangest part is that his “Ask the Tax Guy” thread was really, really good and informative 
)
Oh no, it wasn’t your comment Laurange, I knew what you meant by that! It did make me laugh when I read it! I was talking about rjjung’s question along the lines of ‘can I join in?’ which is actually worse than ‘can I watch?’
Oh, okay. I’m glad