Danielinthewolvesden and yosemitebabe can kiss my ass

We were sticking to the thread. Neither Joe nor I were attempting to discuss whether sodomy laws in Georgia, or any other state were moral. You kept accusing us of this as a means of dodging the question at hand, rather than directly answering it. This is why I decided to bring it to the pit, dickbrain. You can’t seem to comprehend that there are many on this board who do not think a person’s private life is his employers business, and also do not think that law enforcement is an employer’s job. You cannot grasp that if an employer is interested in an employee’s potentiall illegal activities away from the workplace, then that employer should be interested in all illegal activities, not just selected ones.

Also, as to the side issues, posting links to sites that quote questionable statistics about employee absenteeism, safety, and health care usage, culled from “studies” which have been refuted, in an attempt to avoid addressing the issue of whether an employer should be monitoring his employees’ behavior at home, yeah, I’d call that bringing in side issues.

So, just to sum up, for anyone that’s missed the last few days here in the pit:

  • Everybody is offended at everything.
  • Everybody is offended at everybody else being offended at everything.
  • Some people are offended by that.

Let me know if I left anything out :slight_smile:

I thought Joe was a pretty bright poster. But I think Joe’s incredible smartness is somewhat called into question by his choosing to post about his incredible smartness. That’s pretty much guaranteed to get your ass jumped on in a place like this. I mean, I don’t make posts mentioning how smart I am, and it’s pretty clear to all involved that I could outthink any human being in history with half my cerebellum tied behind my frontal lobes. I rent out room in other people’s heads just for storage space for my enormous brain. I’m so smart, I make Einstein look like Concrete on a bad brain day. When I concentrate, I can disturb the orbits of the planets. The only reason I haven’t yet found a cure for cancer, ugly babies and country music is that most of my mental powers are occupied with holding off the attacks of forty different spacefaring races bent on the destruction of the earth. In the small amount of attention I have left, I post to fifteen hundred message boards, use my psychic powers to prevent kittens from drowning and arrange celebrity marriages for my own amusement (Angelina Jolie and Billy-Bob Thorton? Puh-leeze, like that isn’t proof of some sort of tampering with the natural order of things. Drew Barrymore and Tom Green are next.)

But you don’t see me talking about how smart I am all the time.

You know, I think this is the first time I’ve ever posted in the Pit. Just wanted to say that Gaudere caused strange looks and a few glances through the window due to the cackles coming from my office.
This board should have a post of the day, as well as thread.

I’ve seen her do this trick. It’s pretty cool, but it kind of grossed out the bartender.

Well, Diane and Gaudere probably said it better, but I’ll say it anyway ('cause I’m so fucking clever). If Joe had just tried to show everybody he was smart (and he started off pretty well), alot of us would’ve come to that conclusion; once he started reacting to disagreement and harsh words with those shocked little comments indicating we owed him respect for his intellect, he started losing ground quickly. He did make some very good points in the gun control thread, although some posters <coughSPOOFEcough> refused to recognize that.

Too bad Joe’s skin was so thin. (Maybe new GDenizens should get sent to the 'Pit first to go a few rounds with Coldfire, Alphagene or Anthracite to toughen up a bit…)
Now that I’ve nodded at the OP ----

DITWD, you said to pldennison re Libertaria threads:

Um, Daniel’, you know I have a soft spot for you (you welcomed me to the SDMB and all), but I gotta agree with Phil here. Your memory seems a tad selective. In the first place, it was waterj2 who promised a libertarian contract template, and in the second place I have yet to see pl “pinned down” even by folks like Kimstu or Gadarene. In the threads you’re talking about, that paper bag analogy kinda sprung to my mind, too (had to say it).

But hey, you argue pretty good in all them tax threads!

Like what? Half the time he was simply restating what others had already brought up, and the other half he was throwing around accusations of “Gun fanaticism”. He never addressed any of the questions posed to him, he never looked up a single fact or cite, and he demanded that we provide the material for him (which was done, and he still demanded proof). In addition, he posted such gems like this:

Apparently, he didn’t want to debate jack shit, he wanted people to agree with him, plain and simple. He even hinted that he only wanted more gun control simply to piss us off (“I’m not the enemy of the gun owners unless you choose to make me one.”) which is, of course, trolling.

I reiterate, “he presented zero facts, zero logical argument, and whenever he was disproven, he whined incessently about “personal attacks” and failed to acknowledge the questions posed before him.”

Look, SPOOFE, I’m not going to waste alot of my time defending Joe Malik. But to support my assertion, I’ll offer the following validation from one of Joe’s other opponents in the debate:

There are others, SBD, but I’ll let it rest here: You disagree with Malik, but to say he made no valid argument against your points makes you appear as ridiculous and self-aggrandizing as JM does with his “respect my authoritah!” shtick.

Hey, I’m not disagreeing that he made an ass of himself in various ways, particularly by asking to be educated and then running from the argument. I just think 'Tank and pl made their own arguments much more effective by recognizing the validity of some of Malik’s statements.

Gaudere that is pretty funny shit. Do you mind if I use… “When I concentrate, I can disturb the orbits of the planets.” as a sig line?

Hmmm… I create this thread with a title that names two specific people (about whom there seem little controversy on their lack of intelligence). I cite another thread where those two people are insulting me because I’m actually arguing a point with a degree of intelligence. I quote the same two people, and only those two people, in this thread. Half of the argument in the original thread (cited at the very top of the OP) stems from them calling my logic “torturous” and claiming that I speak for everyone in the world because I happen to style a particular post with the editorial “we” (of course never mentioning the actual points raised in this post).

Also note that I’ve commented on people’s respectable or superior abilities from time to time, including Chronos, Anthracite, and beagledave.

Hmm… obviously, I must be flaming the entire board, declaring myself to be the smartest human being in existence. Of course I am not insulting the intelligence of the two specific people I named in the title, quoted in the OP or was embroiled in a dispute with in the referenced thread. No! I am calling everyone on this board, everyone in the world, illiterate morons “who seem to have actual contempt for someone that can actually think his way out of a wet paper bag.”

I made only one serious mistake at SDMB: Thinking that logical reasoning and a degree of intelligence were valued here for their own sake. I’m certainly not the smartest person in the world. I have my talents and my abilities, my weaknesses and errors, and I sincerely thought I might have something to contribute. But without significant exception (and only on the most trivial or obvious of issues) every time I’ve tried to frame a complex argument, anticipating the opportunity to examine the refutations and explore an issue deeply and learn from people who might disagree with or have a different viewpoint from me, I’ve been met with very little other than overt hostility.

That’s fine. I’m not that thin-skinned. But it’s no fun trying to try to logically examine something from my own perspective and be met with a barrage of insults, hostility and abuse. I obviously did get torqued up about it, perhaps because my expectations were so violently contradicted. But I never demanded that my intelligence be regarded as superior, merely that I not be treated as a complete moron merely because I held a different viewpoint (as pldennison mentions). I never said I was smarter than everyone, merely smarter than two specific people (and that’s not much of a claim, as pldennison again seems to agree).

And I never said I was leaving to deprive this board of my godlike wisdom. I merely observed (correctly) that my contribution is unwelcome here: You have made it very clear that I have nothing to offer that this board needs or wants. I am no more welcome here, nor are my contributions of any more significance here, than at a lawyers’ professional message board, the LBMB or the American Association of Left-Handed Taxidermists (for the humorously challenged: all of whom are respectable and nice people with whom I have absolutely nothing in common).

Yes, xenophon, I so ran away from the gun control thread (that had degenerated to nonstop insults)… right to General Questions where I asked for assistance without debate on where I can find links to the very complicated body of law on gun control (remember, I am not a lawyer, and my vacation is almost up so I will be spending time actually working during the day). I ran away from the abortion debate… right to another thread in GD where I tried to examine the underlying problem of reconciling two camps trying to examine the same issue from two completely different perspectives. I made an aside in a Pit thread and returned to the debate on drug testing. Wow! What a coward I must be, what a total ass.

And sorry, Tris. I was just a little pissed off. I didn’t carefully check the exact correct procedure for resigning one’s membership. That, coupled with my two actual typos in the OP obviously brands me not only as a complete horse’s ass but probably shows me to be mentally defective and morally corrupt.

Some people here I expected no better from. But it does hurt my feelings to a degree that people whose intelligence I respect and admire, Anthracite, xenophon, and Gaudere, have interpreted a single sentence in a flame I thought obviously applicable to two specific people to be an indictment of ten thousand people I have known for only a few weeks. I think that’s called an uncharitable interpretation. Perhaps I should take xenophon’s advice and subject myself to the nastiest sort of personal attack to prepare myself for rational debate with civilized people. Or perhaps I should just get on with my life and allow you folks to get on with yours.

Sorry about the bagpipes. I wouldn’t have posted except to correct what I saw were egregious inaccuracies. I’m leaving now, using the correct procedure.

Oh.
My.
Gosh.

How many paragraphs did he have to write, just to tell us that he’s leaving again?

From a previous post:

So you weren’t going to lurk, huh?
:rolleyes:

Joe If you hung around this long, you’re still here.

So roll with the punches, and keep posting. You do contribute. Go back and read the positive comments about you from posters to this and other threads. They generally say that you are valuable/smart/logical/etc. What more could someone want?

We should all be so lucky.

Posters who are most controversial are flamed for their first year. After that, the make 'em into moderators.

Joe,

You posted on a public message board. If you wanted to address the 2 people you mentiuoned, and only the 2 people mentioned in the OP, you should have kept it to e-mail.

By posting in Public, you are open to any reply that anyone who is registered with the board sees fit to post, provided it is within the content allowed my the Administration.

FWIW, I dont think your stupid, nor was I questioning your intelligence, I was just commenting that your style of arguement came accross as arrogant.

If you want to post, then post. Just dont expect noone to disagree with you.

FWIW, his posts still read “member” so he’s probably still registered, right?

Anyway, while I haven’t had the time/pleasure to visit the threads in question, let me just add one little observation to this whole fiasco. In D&D terms, while Joe may have rolled a 17 or so for intelligence, I’m figuring about a four for charisma. ::shrugs:: Personally, I hope he comes back. He seems interesting enough, and if nothing else, he definitely inspires some great humor from the powers that be.

I do have to agree with Trisk on one thing, though, that his original request to be removed (as well as his subsequent announcment of his departure) was petulant at best. To quote Blink 182, “you’ll be sorry when I’m gone.”

Joe,

I addressed you in vitrolic terms, and insulting language. I did that because I was sure you would read it. You see, you said you were leaving, and made your dramatic false exit. I understand that type of crap pretty well. It’s called a Histrionic Personality Disorder. It becomes necessary for people with the disorder to thrust themselves into what they perceive is the center of attention by making claims of extreme suffering, or mistreatment.

Fuck off.

Fuck off quietly, since you are obviously still reading the forum to find out how well your pissant posturing is working. No one really gives a shit why you feel mistreated, or even if you really were mistreated. You are a lonely, sad person, who seeks out the scorn of strangers because you fear the honest responses of familiar people. It’s a free for all board. You are not particularly adept at any of the many styles of social interaction practiced here. You are not notably bright, in the venue, not specifically better informed than average. You don’t even have the questionable distinction of being a legendary jerk. You are just another medium interest poster with an undue sense of your own importance. In a week, if you actually do leave, no one will even remember your name.

But you won’t really leave, will you? Snort.

Fuck off.

Tris.

Let it go. The pack will happily chew lengthily on the bloody bones long after the intelligence has fled, then, sated, move off to await the next victim.

Sheesh, Joe, chill out. If you’re not intending to insult the intelligence of dopers in general, it is hardly necessary to complain that you were mistaken in thinking that “logical reasoning and a degree of intelligence were valued here for their own sake.” You know what? We do respect intelligence and logic. We also respect those who are able to bear up under often highly emotional debate and still argue their points coolly. I was impressed with your debate skills; I am not so with your interpersonal skills. You were hardly subject to outrageously vicious personal attacks in Great Debates; I’ve had worse aimed in my direction and generally managed to avoid either sinking to that level or abandoning the argument. If Y-babe and DITWD are so stupid, it should be easy to defeat their arguments, and inconsequential to ignore any slur they make against yours, right?

If you want to contribute, you’re welcome here; many of us have a degree of respect for your intelligence, which is more than most newbies get. But by Her Holy Horn, get over your fine self! Your attitude displayed in this thread is somewhat off-putting, to say the least. Do not whine about how you are treated; if you don’t like it, just shut your mouth and leave…if you can suck it up and deal with it, do so.

Grendel69: Thank you. :slight_smile: Sure, go ahead.

(nervous footsteps…door to Pit opens gently)

Joe,

I think your first post implied that you were smarter only than Daniel and Yosemite. However it was open to misinterpretation.
That’s where courtesy and modesty help. I’ve made mistakes on the board (cries of ‘you, glee? - never!’), but people have corrected me in a friendly way and the debate goes on.

As other posters have said, I think you’re still lurking. May I therefore suggest that you:

  • calm down
  • wrap this thread up (smoothly)
  • start a new one (remember the Pit brings out the beast in us, so perhaps try elsewhere)
  • enjoy the amazing diversity of opinion and knowledge on the SDMB

now how to wrap this up?

‘I’m better at chess than you’? :o
‘I’m more polite than you’? :wink:

(door closes)

And lo, it came to pass, that Joe Malik returned to the flock, and he said unto them, “You have wronged me, for my debate skills are many and my intelligence is high.” But the SDMB looked at Joe, and said unto him: “You are a whiny little pissant. We value debate and intelligence highly here; but we also value not being an arrogant ass. You, sir, are an arrogant ass. Perhaps, with time, you can become a more socialized person, but if you are just going to piss and whine about how your “contributions are not welcome here” because people point out that you come across as a pompous prick, then thine door is that way, and make haste to get thine ass outside of it. For the LORD Cecil expects his subjects to roll with punches, not collapse and run away.”

And Malik was sore pressed, for he had stated that he would not wait for pity, but there he was, waiting for pity, and wait he would longer. And the congregation would heap scorn upon the name of Malik, and ask why anyone thought they should suffer such a pompous fool.

And Cecil looked down, and saw it was good.

Joe Malik said:

Fair enough, Joe, if we all shared your perspective. Those of us who aren’t psychic saw this:[ul][li]you posted that you were through with the debate until the gun owners acknowledged you weren’t an idiot, and [*]your absence from the thread then became conspicuous[/ul] Only the participants who also frequent GQ (I don’t; I already know it all :wink: ) knew about your request for assistance. And unless you looked back over at the gun control thread, you missed some helpful links that were posted after you left.[/li]
Joe, I’m telling you this because you may decide to keep posting here after all. There are some fairly simple techniques you should learn to help maintain good standing among GDenizens. I’ll give you one for free, which relates to your exit from the gun control debate:

Good Will Technique 23A
If you find you’re not sufficiently well informed to continue debate on an issue, thank those who offered informative links and cites, even those who did so rudely, tell them you’re going to go study the issue, and provide a link to any concurrent related thread you start.

And for those who’ll continue being assholes, well I told you in the other thread: Kill 'em with kindness. The more socially ept posters will respect you for it, and the humanity-impaired people will just be confused.

That’s my advice, Joe; I’m done talking to you. I’ve only posted this much 'cause I think you’ve already got enough people holding the exit door open for you.