Wait, kanicbird is a dude?
Yep. Well, that and a complete lunatic.
The problem with that idea–particularly as expressed by Kanicbird–is that “often” is still a small percentage of the abused population. While it is very true that some percentage of abusers tend to have been abused, (although not as many as previously believed), it is not true that abused tend to grow up to be abusers.
When someone poses a weird pseudo-religious “explanation” for what happens to the abused as though it is cast in concrete, (or preordained by God), it tends to disrupt any intelligent discussion.
QFT.
Glad to see you coming around to my point-of-view, Tom.
We figured you intimidated them into being nontoxic. Gods know I wouldn’t want to be thought capable of harming you.*
- Just in case you think I can, I’ll be hiding in Fiji** under an assumed name, behind a middlin’ sized rock.
** Okay, it’s not Fiji.
It may be “well known” but it isn’t true.
The vast, vast majority of child abuse victims do not become abusers themselves.
What is true is that many (but not quite most) abusers were themselves abused, but logically that does not say anything about how many victims become abusers.
So, having shoved Kanicbird’s face in the feline feces that someone obviously once did to you, is your anger, humiliation, outrage and pain a bit relieved? Well, if it is, then wipe that fucking smile off your face!
I’ve heard this concept in fundie Christian circles before - that the sex act creates an insoluble spritual union - to the effect that when people have sex outside of marriage or who get divorced, they will be committing adultery if they have subsequent sexual relations with someone else to whom they are not united.
There is (kinda) scriptural support for some of this, but you have to reach the conclusion by inference and extrapolation.
I have heard it said, quite seriously, by a minister of the Church of God in Christ, that a woman who has sex with a man absorbs his semen into her bones.
Not punching that guy in the nads was probably selfish on my part.
I’d say that if your average bog-standard god was watching all this child exploitation/molestation and not doing anything to stop it - besides sending kanicbird to teach us the errors of our ways - then said god is a pedo and wants reporting to a higher authority.
Quite apart from that, it’s pretty clear that abused children who do become abusers don’t get cured once they’ve abused somebody else and stolen their soul.
They might not be doing it right!
If you haven’t soul-swapped with your victim, you haven’t done it right. We should make posters and instructional pamphlets.
You shouldn’t put down what you do not understand. I have witnessed this soul tie. Indeed, I have captured it on film! You will all wanna offer kanicbird an apology after seeing this.
HALLELUJAH ABRAHAM!!!
I asked him once, exasperatedly, why the hell half of his posts have a perfectly reasonable, intelligent, worth-reading first half and then the second half is all woo woo crazy bullshit. He responded that he does it on purpose - he knows people wouldn’t read his whackjobbery otherwise. He’s trying to enlighten you by suckering you in.
Thanks for the invite back here, haven’t been here in a while.
I have found spiritual explanations to be much more complete then the logical/psychologically. It is much more in depth and multi-dimensional, IMHO as advanced as string theory is to high school physics. Giving a more complete picture which helps one see the cause and the solution.
But to put what I posted in logical/psychologically terms, a child is open to relationships, to trust someone, as they are learning and want to learn. That can be taken advantage of, someone can force sex upon them, then they learn what a sexual relationship is, a pattern is set, sex puts them in a position of submission, silence, and at the mercy of the molester, the child is just reduced to the receptacle of sex of another and dehumanized. Later, with this pattern set the grown child may want to claim the superior role, and seeks out another child, thus the relationship of the now adult changes to that of the one in power which feels better.
And Yes I agree this is not the only outcome, but there will be some effect of that abuse that can manifest in a number of ways, including continue to be a victim, or continuously fighting urges, or diverted into things like alcoholism to hide the pain.
In the spiritual those links are clear, not so much in the logical/psychologically, so I do prefer the spiritual explanation, and is the reason I post as such.
Thank you Skald the Rhymer for this opportunity to clarify and think over a few things, God Bless you greatly!
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If I wanted to explain to someone…say…how steel is created, I could give them an overview of how it is done – the smelting process of extracting iron from ore, the introduction of nickel, manganese, chromium and others, the quenching process, etc.
Now, if I wanted to, I could give it much more depth and make it more multi-dimensional by adding in how the invisible smelting faries flitter through the mix, seperating out the slag and removing impurities.
It would certainly add more to the story, but it would suffer the same problem as your spiritual explaination: It has a root of truth, but it’s been polluted with utter bullshit. Understand – making thing up to fit into the holes of your knowledge does not mean those holes are actually filled.
kanicbird has a thoughtful, perceptive, coherent point there.
Hold me … I’m scared …
I don’t hold people when they’re scared, but I will assign some hookerbots to comfort you. Not being sure whether you’re a boy or a girl who likes boys or girls, I sent over a platter.