Dissect my love life - very long & sappy

Okay Dopers, here is the opportunity to dissect my romantic life. Some of you know me and a bit about my situation but for those of you who don’t, here goes. I am 36; I have been divorced one year and have three kids. I am pretty self sufficient and very independent both financially and emotionally.

I have a man (Studmuffin) I have been involved with off and on for 6 years. We met in Europe and when he moved to Boston we tried to have a long distance relationship but neither of us were very good at that so we broke it off and remained good friends seeing each other when we could but we both dated others. Last December I met a guy and started dating my first real boyfriend since my divorce. Studmuffin was rather jealous of this guy and when we broke up, he made arrangements to move to the state I live in to be closer to me. He didn’t ask me about this ahead of time, he just made these arrangements to get transferred here. I kind of understand that it was because he didn’t know if it would be approved or not, but I think he might have at least told me he was TRYING.

So in May I was taking a holiday at the beach and he came down to join me and sprung this whole thing on me. He told me how in love with me he was. He’s told me that for years and I always knew but I also knew that the distance between us was prohibitive of a relationship developing any further. Then he told me he’d be moving here in August. I was thrilled. He told me he was moving all because of me.

He had a business trip to South America and we spent a few days together before hand and when he returned we spent 4 wonderful fabulous romantic sex filled weeks together.
I was so in love. We did all these incredible things together. We shopped for a house for him and spent more time together than we ever have. But I made a HUGE mistake. He left to go back to Boston to move his things. He would be gone 6 weeks before he returned.

We have known each other 6 years. He has NO DOUBT how I am. He KNOWS I only sleep with one guy at a time. We have been lovers for years. He knows if I am having sex with him and we are talking about having a romantic, dating relationship, I am not going to be sleeping with anyone while he is gone. BUT, I didn’t’ get a commitment from him before he left.

To Studmuffin’s credit, he is an incredibly honest man. He has always been honest with me to a fault, even when it will get him in trouble. He went back to Boston and I knew something was wrong because I didn’t’ hear from him for 8 days straight. When I finally did I asked him if he was seeing other women and he said "There are two women here that I have been dating that I will be sorry to say goodbye to but no one you should be concerned with " I know the Studmuffin…dating=sex. I was crushed…still am. I am not a particularly jealous woman but I can’t think of him making love to someone else. He told me this in an email so I didn’t confront him right away. My Irish/Cuban temper dictates that I wait and have at least 57 beers before there is any sort of attempt at communication on my part in an attempt to divert a nuclear explosion.

I tried to talk to him about it on the phone about a week later and it didn’t go well. I asked him about his relationship with these women and he got defensive and said I had nothing to worry about because he was moving to my state to be with me. To the best of my knowledge he’d broken up with a woman he’d been dating prior to coming to the beach BECAUSE of me….at least that is what he told me at the beach. I had no idea about these other two. I asked if one of the women was this woman he had broken up with and was appalled to find out….neither of them were. Then I asked the bombshell question. “Did you have sex with them?” ……and uncomfortable silence. Well I suppose that was my answer. He got all pissed off at me because he says that I would never have known had he not told me and that I am not being fair to him by punishing him for being honest with him. And he pulled the technicality card that we had no commitment anyway. Well all of that is true but several things make me uncomfortable. First of all he can’t dispute the fact that he had no confusion that he knew I wouldn’t sleep with anyone else and he did not tell me ahead of time that he had not one but TWO women waiting for him back in Boston all the time we were canoodling here. Secondly, he told me that he broke up with one girl to be with me but told me nothing of the other two and the fact that he was dating three women at once in Boston and apparently sleeping with all three doesn’t say much for his character. Third, We have known each other long enough to have told each other all about our family histories and I know that his father slept around on his mother through out their marriage……I’m wondering if the apple has fallen very close to that family tree.

Now originally my instinct was to just set him straight, tell him okay we didn’t have a commitment but if you want to have sex with me you can’t have sex with anyone else buster! And leave it at that. I have to look in his eyes, I can’t do this on the phone……something about knowing his intentions and if he is being sincere….I can’t do that on the phone. And he swears to me everything will be different when he gets here……hmm I am skeptical. We decided to talk about it when he gets here next weekend.

But all of these recent developments make me hesitant to even give him another chance. It isn’t easy for me to trust once I have been hurt. Right now my gut instinct is to RUN FAST AND FAR!!

Okay now if all of that isn’t enough of a brain twist for you, I have been in this limbo for about six weeks and have talked to just about anyone who will listen to me.

There is a man I know named Fernando. I’ve known him for about a year. Total trophy guy. I know him from work. He is does some contract work for our company and I see him from time to time. Older than me by a few years and makes HUGE $, very very hot and completely and utterly out of my league. Long before the boyfriend that made the Studmuffin jealous I considered how I might get his attention but he pretty much has always kept it as a professional friendship – as I said, he is kind of out of my league. [ho-hum]

Anyway, I gave up and settled on a friendship and last Friday we were having lunch and I was whining about the Studmuffin saying I didn’t know if he would give me that commitment and he said something that totally blew me away and I nearly fell into my Caesar Salad……”Mipiace, the man is going to do whatever you want him to do. You are in the drivers seat and you don’t even know it. A man would have to be dead not to be attracted to you. You are a vivacious, intriguing, intelligent young woman. Not to mention incredibly sexy. And he can have sex with you any time he wants” and the voice inflection on that part indicated that he must be a lucky man to have sex with me any time he wanted…I’m serious I was feeling faint by that time! My jaw must have been wide open! The TROPHY GUY? Saying these things? There aren’t many men who intimidate me….but this guy totally made me nervous and he was giving me the compliment of my life! He went on, “he isn’t about to screw that up unless he is total idiot! He will do anything you want him to do. But the minute you let your guard down he will be right back to his old tricks. Quite frankly, I think you are capable and worth much, much more than that.” I swear I wasn’t breathing at that point.

I was so confused I think I must have said something really stupid……I don’t know what I said……I think he might have been hitting on me? Or maybe he was just trying to be a friend and say I should dump the Studmuffin? I don’t even know. I mean what kind of a guy can’t even come out and say he is attracted to a women, but if he is going to choose a round-about way that is definitely the most powerful round about way I have ever heard.

So now I am really confused. Today I feel like telling Studmuffin “no thanks” I kind of feel like heel but I never asked him to move here to being with and he is the one to can’t keep it zipped anyway. But I kind of want to do a double check and make sure I am not doing this for something stupid like because some cute guy paid attention to me (That would be really stupid)

I have too much of an emotional investment with the Studmuffin for just some guy to come along and change all that. Oh and another thing. Even if I am mad at him. Even if he is kind of a man – Ho……we have been really good friends for a long time and I don’t want to loose that. That was one huge thing I thought of before we got into this, I didn’t want to jeopardize our really good friendship. I do love him, as a friend and as a lover, I just have to protect myself and my dignity and my health too.

Mipiace, you completely just talked your way right into your own answer.

I know this about gut instincts -> They rarely if ever lie. I would look past this guy and move on. Your three kids will adjust better if you stuck with one suiter for longer than a few months. The way you phrase your remarks about men i.e. Studmuffin et al. is slightly disconcerning. However, lifestyles vary and if having an open lifestyle is something that you like, something that you do not mind for yourself and your children, then I’d say stick with it, and continue having sex with the Studmuffin.

One thing. You have a man studmuffin who you have been involved with on and off for 6 years, yet you have been divorced for only 1 year. Were you having an affair on your husband? If so why are you in such a tif about weather or not your stud sleeps with another woman?

Ah…I knew that dopers could do math…you know I almost put that in there but then that was going to add another long paragraph about a long unhappy marraige that didn’t really add much to the meaning of the current situation. Basically it was a long seperation, I couldn’t divorce while I lived overseas. It was a mutual agreement with my husband and he had a Polish girlfriend.

So although yes, Studmuffin and I were involved while I was technically married, I wouldn’t actually call it an affair. My divorce wasn’t FINAL until a year ago but I have been seprated from my husband for a long time. I never had sex with Studmuffin until after hubby & I were seprated. Does that help at all?

Oh yeah and I’m glad you brought THAT up. When I left Europe I had a different bf. Wasn’t seeing Studmuffin, we’d already called it quits, I was seeing someone else. So Studmuffin tells me “What did YOU do the last 6 weeks before you left?” Well of course I was screwing his brains out but I didn’t have anyone waiting for me here either! He was the only one I was seeing!

And he proceeds to tell me how hard it has been for him to watch me from afar and know I had these other boyfriends…hm I guess no so hard that he couldn’t date a lot of other women.

My 2 cents is that you really haven’t spent any time not in a relationship since you got married. Some time seems necessary here. Speaking for myself, if my marriage were to be gone in x months and I were single again I would really need some time to figure out who I was as a single person and what I wanted from a new potential husband/partner.

You also have 3 kids to think about. As unhappy as your marriage was and as unsatisfying as your dating life seems to be … what kind of example is this setting for the kids? They know more than we adults give them credit for about what is happening in their parents lives. I wonder what message they’ve gotten about marriage, relationships, communication and sex. As much as I am a firm believer that we should not sacrifice ourselves completely to become slaves to our children’s every want/whim… as parents you are their prime role models and need to realize they do see everything that happens in our lives and they learn from it.

As for the Studmuffin himself. You say you’ve been friends for all these years and lovers off and on and yet you’ve never had any kind of conversation with him to the effect of ‘when we’re having sex with eachother then we shouldn’t be having sex with anyone else.’ Doesn’t sound like that great of a relationship since there is no communication at all. You say he knows how you are but his actions don’t reflect or respect that. I don’t care where he moves from, this doesn’t seem like a healthy relationship. Especially since it seems like he only did this because you suddenly became forbidden fruit. Is it possible he’s one of the guys who likes the chase but then cools when things get comfortable?

Is studmuffin someone you want being a stepfather/father figure to your children?

Also he seems honest only when confronted with a question… that to me is just caught and unable to lie well not honest.

I also think that sex has a far more prominent role in your relationships than it needs to. I like sex myself and wouldn’t say ‘don’t have sex’ but it seems to be the thing that you’ve defined as most important in all of your posts. Studmuffin and the great sex with him and ex bf that you were ‘screwing his brains out’ of and the like. Great sex should be the topping on a wonderful relationship and not the basis for one.

Trophy guy may be attracted to you, but if he has kept his professional distance to date while knowing you were available in some form or fashion you had best take a cold shower and do some arms length evaluations. Sensitive guys will go into heavy compliment mode at the drop of a hat with attractive, vulnerable women whining about their love lives, and he may well be quite sincere in his opinion and be sexually attracted to you and still have no more intention of forming a serious, long term relationship with you than flying to the moon.

With respect to studmuffin you need to get a solid read as to what his immediate, concrete intentions are. I’m not clear whether you are angry that he was sleeping with women just before he came down to see you, and you two picked back up your sexual relationship or after. If it’s before then you’re just being unreasonable and crazymaking. If he’s still sleeping with these ladies after he professed undying like to you and a desire to get closer, then you’ve got serious problems and you may well have to re-evaluate your relationship with him.

Re trophy guy, you really need to make some final determination of the status your first relationship before counting on trophy guy for anything beyond a shoulder to whine on. Trust me on this. If you try to juggle too many balls you may wind up dropping them all (or them dropping you).

I love you Tanookie and you are one of the people who have a lot of insight just because you have heard me drone on and on about him for all these months and you are right. All I ever talk about is screwing him. I mean when is the last time I said “we sat down and had a heart to heart conversation and shared our hopes and dreams” we used to do things like that when we lived abroad and I had hoped that we would return to that once he moved back but in all honesty in the last few years every time we see each other all we do is shag. Sex is great but it’s not all I want to spend my life doing.

As far as my kids, y ou raise an excellent point. I honestly divorced my husband for that very reason. I honestly loved their father - just not in the right way. We were more roomates than marraige partners. He would have made a great brother for me, I just couldn’t stand being married to him. He and I actually get along pretty well even now. But there is NO WAY Studmuffin is going to be their step father. I do not want him having an in put as an example to my son. And sadly, as much as I used to think that I wanted my kids to see the love between us…I don’t think there is enough trust between us any more that I want for them to see.

One thing I will say though, I do keep my dating relationships away from my kids. I think it is a bad idea to have a string of boyfriends parade in front of my kids. I haven’t introduced them to any of them and wont’ unless I think the relationship is serious.

The reason you like studmuffin is because he seduces and sleeps with all these other women.

You are like a sheep. You like him because other women like him also, not because there is anything speficic about him that you like. You feel like you must have him to yourself just to show that you are better than these other women.

You pretend to get upset about his affairs etc. in order to see whether you can “tame” him. But the moment you tame him (if you tame him) you will fall out of love with him and dump his ass.

Happens all the time.

BAAA…hmm that is an interesting theory. Competition? The female equivalent of the male conquest drive. That is a possibility I suppose. Doesn’t hurt that he is great in bed too. But he didn’t get that way from sleeping with one or two girls either.

So if he settled down and stayed at home with me, I’d find him incedible mundane and boring? jury is still out on that one…I am not sure I am sticking around to find out. Funny though, he will be 34 next month and in all the years I have known him, I don’t think I have known anyone to stick around too long to find that out.

To be quite honest I know you are not alone in your behaviors with men. But I would be quite worried about my health from sleeping with so many men. Are you not worried about his? Follow your own advice mipiace, will you?

Directly from your own hand. Why do you continue on the same path if this is how you truly feel. You know the saying about men, “Your just thinking with your Dick”

Well, change the gender of the organ at the end of that statement and you have what I think you are doing…

Point taken.

Although I am curious what you mean about “so many men” considering I have only mentioned four in this thread. Considering I was married for 14 years as far as you know that is the sole number I have slept with in my entire life…it isn’t but be careful about forming judgements…

I think I am more concerned about sleeping with men who sleep with a great deal of women. We use condoms but they aren’t fool proof. I know that and as a rule I am not overly promiscuous although I understand that is a subjective term.

Okay so he just ccalled me. I thought he would be here on Thursday but he just got into town. Wants to know if we can get together for our little pow-wow on Wednesday night.

I am pretty sure it is going to mean that I am going to tell him goodbye. As much as I know it is necessary, it’s hard for me to do. I do care for him even if it seems that he is a scoundrel and it was hard hearing his voice on the phone.

I wanted this to work out. Whatever some of you think about me and my “loose morals” I have feelings for this man…and it is going to crush me to walk away from him. But I know I have to do it.

I told him on the phone I was busy Wed…not that I really am. My daughter has piano lessons but that isn’t REALLY busy for a Wed night…I just wanted to postpone it. I told him I’d get back to him on the weekend…I don’t even know why I did that.

I said I wanted out of htis limbo and there I had my chance to break it off and I chickened out. What a wimp. I need to call him back up and set this straight. I’m a total bone head. I just wasn’t expecting him to call me at work today.

If you didn’t hear from him for 8 straight days, you don’t mean that much to him. I’ve been married for 18 years, I’m on one two week trip, and I have called home every day. (Hey, the calls are free!) A man who doesn’t call more than once a week, clearly has other priorities. Like washing the car.

mipiace, it sounds like you’ve gotten some great input here today. I especially agree with a lot of what tanookie and Phlosphr have written, but I know it’s so easy for us ‘out here’ to say do this or do that. I have never found myself in your specific situation, so I’m talking way out on the edge of my experience here, but I think that by postponing the inevitable meeting 'til the weekend, you have done the right thing … gives you a chance to think about it and cool off a bit. Too much time? I don’t know, but definitely don’t keep putting it off. Personally, I wouldn’t go into it expecting a specific conclusion … just go in knowing the issues you need to cover, lay them on the table with your stand, and take it from there. None of us can ever hope to be completely prepared for what each relationship throws at us, and by going into any aspect of one (beginning, middle, or end) with a preconcieved idea of what’s going to happen isn’t the best way to approach it. Be honest, open, and say what you need to say. Listen to his side. Then decide your next course … take as much time as you need. Head-over-heart here, mipiace. Good luck and may you find peace in your decision!

Usually the things we need to do are hard. I’ve learned there is not a lot about life that’s fair or easy.

I’ve also learned I am worth the effort. That was a hard thing to admit.

Do what you know you need to and do it with confidence! Good luck and stay strong.

Thanks you guys. I think the hardest thing was the emotional betrayal. It isn’t sharing his body. For me sex is about emotional intimacy and I have opened up to him more than I ever have to anyone. I’ve peeled back all those layers of onion skin and stood emotinally naked before him to find out he was distracted by someone else’d onion. OUCH! That one smarts.

I know it’s best to let him go. I think he is just a long time bachelor and very set in his ways. He probably really doesn’t have any idea what is wrong with this picture…

Okay upon discussing privately with friends, I realize a couple of things:

  1. I have totally raked him over the coals here and maybe that wasn’t completely fair. He has a side and I dont know what that is, I haven’t heard it and maybe I am just not understanding what that is. Maybe I misunderstood.

  2. He did spend a lot of money, buy a new house and completely change his career goals to move here to be with me so even if he didn’t call for 8 days…men don’t typically do thins like that for women they care nothing for.

I may not have acurately represented him. :frowning:

Well whatever you do … make sure you work on your fully clothed communication skills.

Good luck on that face to face chat!

Yes…fully clothed…got, it…
I WILL GLUE MY CLOTHING TO MY BODY
I WILL GLUE MY CLOTHING TO MY BODY
I WILL GLUE MY CLOTHING TO MY BODY
I WILL GLUE MY CLOTHING TO MY BODY
I WILL GLUE MY CLOTHING TO MY BODY…