I think asian guys are great. But not all asian men are the same stereotype, I saw a Starsearch (or a clone) episode many years ago, in the spokes-model catagory was a man from Manchuria. He was drop dead gorgeous. Tall, built and had long black hair that flowed like silk. I think I forgot to breathe during the swimsuit photo session.
And that guy notwithstanding, Jet Li is breathtaking.
Including but not limited to Asian reporter Trisha Takanawa.
So do you prefer white women or just western ones? Just curious.
NOT THE SAME THING. Not even remotely.
I said that I tend to prefer white women. They usually speak better English, and they usually have better educational backgrounds. This is not the same as stereotyping them, or stereotyping Asian women. Not in the least.
Sheesh!
If I had said that Asian women were poorly educated, or that they spoke bad English, then you could accuse me of stereotyping. I said no such thing though, as I was speaking purely in terms of tendencies. (Do you deny that Asian women usually don’t speak English as well as white women?) Your accusation has no merit.
In fact, my exact words were,
See that? I made no universal claims regarding Asians, as befits a stereotype. I said that I have difficulty if a woman cannot speak English well. If an Asian woman happens to speak English fluently, then that problem does not exist. Capice? Ditto for women who may be less well-educated than their Western counterparts.
Double-sheesh!
On the average, white women – again, because they tend to be better educated.
I feel the need to emphasize the word tend, since some people apparently don’t grasp this distinction. :rolleyes:
Your exact words were also
I’m not judging your preferences for your dating pool. If you prefer white women, so be it.
However, by saying that Westerners are often better read, more insightful, and more knowledgeable than Asians, you are saying that Asians are more poorly educated.
Now, what is the difference between a white woman and a western woman? You just said that if an Asian woman speaks English fluently, you wouldn’t have a problem. If she speaks English fluently, she’s probably westernized. Do you believe white women generally more educated than westernized Asian women? If that’s the case, why do you think that? And if it’s a fact, can I see a cite?
Since he brought the English factor into play I think it’s safe to assume he’s talking about foreign-born Asians educated in their countries of origin.
Yeah. So? I stand by that statement. It’s a reflection of the terrible educational standards in many Asian countries, many of which are firmly entrenched in the Third World.
There is nothing inherently stereotypical in that statement. You may disagree with it, but the statement is no stereotypical per se.
On the average, yes. They tend to be less well-educated. That’s because their countries tend to have les stellar universities and educational systems. Making this observation is NOT the same as making stereotypes, by any stretch of the imagination.
Get off it. Making a generalization is not the same as enforcing a stereotype. Not by a long shot. I didn’t notice you complaining when people said that Caucasians tend to be taller than Asian men, so knock it off.
Quite a bit, but that’s ultimately irrelevant to this discussion. White women tend to be from the West, and they tend to be better educated. Do you dispute that?
Quite likely, yes. So? How does that contradict my claim?
What I said is that white women are generally better educated that Asian women. I was comparing them to Asian women as a rule (i.e. on the average). Whether they are better educated than Westernized Asian women is another matter altogether, on which I have voiced no opinion.
Do you understand yet? What I claimed is “White women tend to be better educated than Asian women.” I made no claims about any given subclass of Asian women, such as those which have been thoroughly Westernized. Since I have made no such claims, I strongly suggest that you refrain from attacking me on those grounds.
Now if you really need proof that women from these Asian nations – many of which are in the Third World – don’t have the educational advantages that Americans and Europeans have, then I submit that you’re arguing out of severe naivete.
I think that’s just a case of incomplete statistics.
I dunno, what’s a “sex symbol?”
That’s just a stupid statement. What’s insightful? What’s knowledgeable? In what?
You are going to have a hard time backing it up.
Scotti, Polynesians would be lumped under “Pacific Islander” (or something similar) and not Asian. This is, of course, assuming the option exists on the form in question. Though I can totally see it not existing as an option, and Samoans, Tahitians, and Marquesas Islanders joining in the crowd of Japanese, Koreans, and Chinese. And quite a crowd that’d be.
Me, I’m Japanese-Okinawan and I hail from Hawaii. Nine out of every ten people around me were Asian. So it’s no wonder that every single one of my romantic relationships has been with an Asians. Hell, nearly all of my silly infatuations have been with Asians. Clearly, I don’t find Asian males distasteful as a group (though particular ones were… ugh). You could argue over whether I have a natural preference for them or just am a product of my environment. I honestly don’t know, and I don’t think I care.
Because of my background, it’s odd hearing people talk about Asians as though they’re hard to come by. It occurs to me that for many people, they’ve only met or even seen a half dozen Asian people. Now I see that we truly are still a minority
Actually, the idea has been around for at least a generation. My mother and her friends had crushes on the Caucasian teen idols of their time and ignored the neighborhood guys. It was common to want to marry a Caucasian so that you’d have cute hapa kids. If you were dating or even had a crush on a haole guy, you and your girlfriends would constantly be envisioning your sure-to-be adorable children. (If you’re rolling your eyes now, imagine the reactions of these girls’ more traditionally-minded parents.) Of course, many of those teenage girls grew up and eventually spawned with Asian males.
The fascination never really dies, though.
JThunder, you were asked by shy guy if you preferred white women or western women. Your reply was that you prefer white women because on average, they are better educated. If you can show me a study that proves white women are more educated and more cultured than westernized Asian women, then I’ll humbly step back.
I’m completely aware that many Asian countries are Third World, but your claim that Asians aren’t as well educated, aren’t as insightful, and aren’t as cultured don’t stand. If all those Vietnamese who left after the War are really so unlearned in the ways of the world, I don’t think they would have made it out of there alive, let alone become successful individuals in western society.
My friends and I wouldn’t exist if it wasn’t for the ingenuity, the intelligence, and the determination of the generation above us. They worked hard to provide their children with comfortable lives after coming to the US with nothing in their hands.
What I learned during the first five years of my life was purely based on what my parents taught me, none of which were westernized ideas. From them, I now have my love of the sciences and great literature. I was taught to be understanding of others and to be open-minded, and I’ve always known to stand up for what I believe in. It is because of our parents’ help and encouragement throughout the years that my friends and I have always excelled in school.
I will NOT provide such a study, because I am NOT making that claim. (What part of “NOT” don’t you understand?)
What I have repeatedly said is that Asian women tend to be less well-educated than white or Western women. I made no claims about Westernized Asian women. In fact, I specifically said,
In other words, I’m making a claim about Asian women, on the average. I made no claims about thoroughly Westernized Asian women, who constitute an extreme minority of Asians. You are presenting a strawman argument, so knock it off.
Sigh. :rolleyes:
I didn’t say that Asians ARE less educated than whites or Westerners. What I said is that they tend to be less well-educated. What’s wrong with saying that? Obviously, you STILL have trouble grasping the meaning of the phrase “tend to.”
I’m not claiming that the are NO well-educated Asians, and you apparently think. Are there plenty of well-educated Asians? Certainly! Does that disprove my point that Westerners are usually better educated? Not in the least.
Whites tend to have better incomes than black people. Does one disprove this point by pointing out that there are some wealthy and successful blacks? Obviously not.
In the past, my boyfriends have been asians, 1 indian, 1 pakistani, and judging from their current situations, they are quite popular with the woman folk who are not asian. So yes I do find some asians attractive to have spent many years with them.
Now, what is the difference between a white woman and a western woman? Wouldn’t a westernized Asian woman be considered a western woman?
I’m not having any trouble understanding what “tend” or “usually” mean, but you keep saying that you’re talking about Asian women, not westernized Asian women. However, you’ve also stated that white women in general are better educated than western women. As far as I can tell, a white woman is a western woman, and a westernized Asian woman is also a western woman.
But JThunder, isn’t it sort of pointless to refer to the many uneducated, third-world Asians since they are, presumably, not a part of your potential dating pool? As far as the non-Westernized Asian women you’d have access to goes, you’re basically looking at 1st-gen immigrants and foreign students, both of whom I would guess to be a lot more comparable to Western women in the education department, unless you really think the educational systems are really THAT bad. I suppose it would depend on where you’re thinking of.
No, since I have regular contact with BOTH groups, not being native to the USA. I myself only moved to the USA recently, and so I know full well what I mean when I say that Westerners tend to have better educational backgrounds.
Additionally, there are a great many foreginers who live in the USA, but who have not yet been thoroughly Westernized. This is not an all-or-nothing proposition, after all. Many of them are recent immigrants, and so they have only been partially Westernized at best.
Yes, they are often THAT BAD. That’s how bad Third World educational standards often are. (I even wrote a lengthy term paper on the subject of science education in a certain Third World nation. An abridged version of this paper got published in a couple of newspapers. It is truly that bad.)
Moreover, foreign students are not representative of their nations in general, as they tend to belong to the top percentage or so. Many others immigrate here through family connections, employment contacts or some such deal, and thus do not necessarily have the same level of educational achievement as those who come here as students.
I assumed you were not a recent immigrant since fluent English is a priority to you.
Of course, you have also claimed this:
[Emphasis mine]
Now could you show some evidence and/or argument to back yourself up?
A question for all asian males and females–how do you feel about dating/marrying blacks, hispanics, native americans, etc.? Also, touching on a subject brought up before, how do you feel (if you’re a man) about being shorter than your girlfriend? If it didn’t bother her, would it bother you?