Election Day [Week][Month[s]] [Year] 2020 follow-along thread

No, that’s not what the stripes mean. It means the states flipped from the last election.

ETA - ninja’d! But I’ll take this opportunity to add that I was confused by it too, until I figured out what their color coding meant.

Is your principal backing you up?

Trump needs PA, GA, NZ, NC and AZ and that is a tie? I thought that was a Trump win. Not that it is going to happen

It has been described as a fraction of the 60000 late votes from the primary. Kind of vague, but it sets an upper limit.

Trump needs New Zealand?

If Biden wins GA and Trump wins everything else left then it is a tie.

Yes, fortunately. The article is very objective, and the class is optional, so I feel on very firm footing. It’s just a little disheartening to get emails like that.

That was my big worry but it looks like, thankfully, I was wrong:

When all the votes are counted, it appears Biden will have won as strongly in 2020 as Trump did last time. Pennsylvania will not be recountably close and, with stealing Pennsylvania’s electoral votes off the table, it would take at least two, probably three other state legislatures to all reject democracy. Won’t happen.

The big disappointment is of course the Congressional races. Looks like there were Republicans who repudiated Trump but voted straight GOP otherwise.

A tie is a Trump win, so mentally, just give him one extra EV.

Yuppers

Kudos on both the discussion plan and the parameters you set. Seriously, very impressive. You’re bound to get an email or two like that, given the level of paranoia, particularly on one side. Too bad you can’t have the rules and disclaimer scrolling across the bottom of your screen, especially the one about parents watching but NOT participating (which I think is terrific). That looks like the one sticky area to me.

I hope the metaphorical football team in this scenario that needs to defend against a TD, onside kick, and FG in the last 2 minutes is not the Lions.

My 2nd district in NC went from R to D. It was gerrymandered by the GOP to have a lot of Dems so that other NC districts are more red. Same is true for NC 4 and NC 12 .

They need to call it soon, so Mr. Kornacki can change his clothes

Most provisional ballots in PA fall into three categories:

  • Voters whose mail-in ballots were rejected could go to the poll and cast a provisional ballot
  • Voters who requested a mail-in ballot but never received it or lost it
  • Voters who changed their minds and decided to vote in person, but who lost/forgot to bring their unused mail-in ballot

From the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette:

Lara Putnam, who chairs the Department of History at the University of Pittsburgh and studies the electoral landscape in Western Pennsylvania, said she expects the provisional ballots to “be very slightly less Biden-heavy than mail-ins, but still net Biden more votes than Trump.”

Indeed. The idea that there’s something illegitimate about teaching students how the Electoral College works – my mind boggles. (Not that it hasn’t boggled a lot lately.)

That wouldn’t surprise me. ‘We’ve got to get Trump out of there but let’s try to make sure the Congress will keep Biden under control’ is actually a quite logical position. (I don’t agree with it, but that’s a different matter.)

And I strongly suspect that a lot of Americans like divided government just fine, and try to accomplish it when possible. Which works fairly well if all parties, once elected, start seriously trying to run the country the best they can, even with disagreements as to how to do that; but not well at all if one party has decided it’s perfectly willing to screw the country up as much as possible in the hope that it’ll improve their chances in the next election.

According to Amelia Thompson-Deveaux (see below for quote) at 538, the disputed “late-arriving” ballots have not been included in the counts. Also, I read elsewhere (CNN, I think) the head of elections in PA said it was a small number – bigger counties had maybe 500, lots of smaller counties had zero. They did not expect it to be determinative.

They may have been counted – I don’t know – but even if so, are not in the totals.

I agree that reversing it now, when the rule was in effect on election day, would be manifestly unjust, but it might be how it would go. If they had taken it and reversed it when it came up the first time, it would be in line with many precedents that pretty much require a change like that to come from the legislature, because that is where the power to choose the method of selecting electors is vested. The Supreme Court routinely reverses court-ordered rule changes like that one in the run-up to an election.

Also, re: PA legislature possibly changing the method after the election – PA state law would not be an impediment. A legislature cannot typically bind a future legislature. Unless it is PA constitutional law, the legislature can just change any conflicting state law. So, it would have to be against the state constitution, federal law, or the US constitution. I’d say it probably violates the latter two, but of course the US Supreme Court is the final arbiter of that…

Actually, the Mass legislature first changed the law in 2004, when Senator John Kerry was running for President and Mitt Romney was governor. So they removed his power to appoint a new Senator, and implemented a special election instead. So the seat would have been vacant for 4 months or so, then a new Senator elected. This all came to nothing when Kerry lost and just remained in his Senate seat.

When Ted Kennedy was terminally ill in 2009, Deval Patrick, a Democrat, was governor. So the legislature kept the special election in place, but gave the governor the power to appoint a temporary replacement until the election occurred. But Republican Scott Brown won the special election, which wiped out the Democrats filibuster proof majority of 60 seats. This led to all sorts of weird shenanigans in the passing of Obamacare.

The State of Georgia has rather some pertinent experience in remarkable moments in blowing football games.

Yep, this is how my friend thinks. He voted trump in 2016 (to preserve our friendship, we don’t talk politics much). Then he mentioned when the 2018 midterms came around, “ok, gonna vote straight-ticket Dem to keep trump in check”. And it wasn’t a matter of changing his mind about trump.