I get the feeling that had he made a thread about bondage, or sex and talked about it there it wouldn’t have been a problem. But it seems he liked more to sneak it into unrelated threads and get his kicks out of doing something naughty. Exhibitionism and all that.
That’s hot.
My assumption (nothing more) is that there was not so much a final straw, as a habit of pushing his posts into a gray area around a subject he had been asked multiple times to tone down. Even if he never brandished another smoking gun, many of his post-admonishment posts had the air of a little kid teasing his sister in the back seat by holding his finger a fraction of an inch away from her face and going, “What? I’m not touching her!”
When your little sister is a mod, that’s a dangerous game.
Another consideration as to why there may not be a final-post smoking gun is that the suspension might not have been immediate; there might have been some Mod discussion that didn’t happen overnight. This seems all the more likely when the behavior being addressed is general and habitual, and not smoking-gunny.
Again, the above is pure speculation.
I for one welcome our new Nonnie overloards. :rolleyes:
My grandmother is an overlord here? What does that make me, an underlord?
Huh? What does that even mean?
That was to **Bippy the Beardless **, BTW.
I don’t understand why someone needs to be morally outraged to agree with the Mod’s decision. It is very hard to get me outraged. EC has never said anything of a sexual nature that made me even blink. I just found the inappropriate hijacks to be tedious. The fact that he keeps doing it seems to be more about making some others uncomfortable than adding anything to a thread. It’s a shame because when he posts about other subjects I find him to be a good contributor. I hope he comes back in a month and continues to add his two cents.
We can’t ban people for being tedious, though. There’d be nobody left but Eve.
Even as one of EC’s most vocal critics, I have to say I agree with this. As I’ve said many times, my issue with EC was much less the sexual content of his hijack posts than with his arrogance and solipsism in believing that, warnings or not, his worldview is so morally superior that he is right to continue making them. He’s said as much as well. The sexual component only added a layer of squick to what was essentially an issue of arrogance. Other posters in the past have been taken to task for being one-trick hijackers. Frankly, I think EC was given a pass for much longer than most because the sexual nature of his chosen pony conferred a kind of PC immunity on him; the mods (my theory goes) didn’t want to be seen as silencing the libertine out of squeamishness, so he got away with a lot more “jerkishness” than if his subject matter hadn’t been so PC-armored. YMMV.
In any case, outside of his obsession, he’s one of the more intelligent and insightful posters. So I hope he can get the arrogance under control and learn to respect others’ perspectives to the same degree that he demands respect for his own.
–pointing out, of course, that EC was always the first one to play the PC-martyr card; he refused to acknowledge the non-sexual jerkishness aspect of his behavior by continuing to insist that his critics’ hidden agenda was always prudish censoriousness. So he kept his PC armor well polished.
OK, I get that it’s a Simpson’s reference, but, um… what are you on about?
And Sampiro!
…aaaaaannnddd wouldn’t that be a violation of the “do not be a jerk” rule? Granted, I was never really upset with his posts, but some people obviously were. He was asked to stop posting about a particular topic as hyjacks and appearently did not. I also hope that he comes back, but keeps from adding this one brand of hyjacks.
*And so we leave our fearless hero, hog-tied and suspended over a cliff by the wiles of the sinister Uncle Cecil and his Merciless Moderators!
Can this really be the end for our intrepid champion? Can Fate be so cruel? To perish with the taunts and jeers of dope-crazed fiends ringing in his ears? Is this the Captor’s Last Chapter?
Be sure to tune in next month, same time, same channel for the stunning conclusion!*
It’s a reference to a certain board where nonnies (anonymous posters, aka the Basement Brigade) can rant about their “favorite” Dopers without mod retaliation. I won’t post the URL (if doing so isn’t a bannable offence it should be) but it isn’t too hard to find.
It can be fun to read if you’re in an AOLesque mood though…
The really annoying part is his habit of starting threads in Café Society with a clear goal of just bringing up his interests. I always feel weird about this whole thing - me coming up on the side of social propriety is not really something I’m used to - but Evil Captor refused to tone down the obvious fap threads, and I am among the folks who were just tired of it. I remember from our last discussion that you indicated that you felt some sympathy because you had similar interests. But for those of us who don’t - in my case, because I just don’t particularly like hearing overly-elaborate descriptions of heterosexual sex - Evil Captor should have tried to confine himself to appropriate places and times. Someone is no doubt going to trot out the phony statistics proving that he’s posted on sexually-related topics less than one post in sixteen million, but the bottom line is that in CS, he barged into other threads to try to change the topic to his own interest, and he constantly started his own threads just to talk about it. It’s sort of depressing - apparently he has no interest in any kind of cinema that doesn’t cater to his individual sexual interests, which is pretty shallow.
I, for one, am glad he was finally suspended. Not because I’m a prude, or disgusted by bondage, or any of the other character attacks that got trotted out last time around. Just because I don’t really want someone else’s sexual practices constantly brought up. It’s fine that he’s into what he’s into. But he doesn’t have to remind the rest of us all the time.
I gotta say, though, that joke people have been linking to would be fine from anyone else. I guess it’s the final feather - because it would be hard to find that offensive no matter what.
Frankly, in my opinion that makes it worse. It’s like he’s deliberately started yet another thread whose sole purpose is to be another “Evil Captor masturbates to the movies” thread - and he still won’t be honest enough to divulge it in the title. I don’t check who posted every thread I click - should I have to do that, because the topic may actually end up being something completely different than the subject line? That kind of blatantly deceptive crap is probably where some of the more paranoid suggestions about Evil Captor’s motives came from.
Well, I agree that they weren’t in any way offensive, but you know perfectly well if you’ve ever looked at even one of these threads before that they ban people based upon conduct over time. This is not a matter of trying to find some particular offense to suspend him over. It’s not like Law and Order because the mods are not prosecutors in a court. Stop applying TV law drama standards to this stuff. I can’t imagine you doing it, eleanorigby, because I think you’re way more honest than that - but in some cases I think people are lying when they play dumb about how being banned works. There’s no rule that a person’s final offense has to be something humungous. The admins are perfectly within their rights (and their usual practices) by banning people for a pattern of behavior, even if no individual incident seems like that big a deal. They do it all the time.
Irrelevant, as standards for what speech the United States government may censor are completely unrelated to the topic at hand.
Out of curiosity, are you simply so ignorant of what the phrase “free speech” means that you are bringing it up in honest confusion? Or are you doing this as a deliberate attempt to distract people from the matter at hand so that the discussion moves onto something completely unrelated? Stupid, or (vaguely) devious? I can’t decide.
So? No one on a message board is ever “hurting anybody”. They’re just being an annoyance. It’s not everyone else’s responsibility to ignore someone being constantly annoying in the interests of preserving their freedom of speech - because on a private message board, the latter is of precisely zero relevance.
No surprise, but you should come up with some real reasoning for it.
So how about somebody thinking of the adults? Even though I’m an adult, it doesn’t mean I want to hear the intimate details of someone else’s sex life or sexual fantasies. Do you really think that’s such an odd thing? Because it’s certainly the norm in the society I live in - one does not broadcast one’s wank fantasies to everyone within earshot. The fact that Evil Captor blatantly tried to hide it in discussions about movies meant it was a hell of a lot harder to avoid, especially since I enjoy talking about film. I don’t like hearing about naked women in bondage, mostly because I don’t like hearing about naked women (the bondage part doesn’t really bother me at all, though his interest in depictions of nonconsentual sex does put a nice patina of “creepy” on the whole matter.) It’s fine if people want to talk about it, but it’s not fine if people bring it up constantly, in completely unrelated places, or else deliberately create threads with deceptive titles just to get others involved who wouldn’t otherwise want to.
Yep. That’s about the long and short of it. And when he was asked to stop, he wouldn’t. Makes me wonder if he’s got some form of sexual compulsion - but it’s not up to the rest of us to treat him.
A good point. He was definitely, and deliberately, a dick - both to the Powers That Be and those of us who had the temerity not to want to hear everything he masturbates too. Why would he expect to keep his posting privileges if he’s deliberately poking the moderators the way he did?
What the fuck are you even on about with this?
What lissener said.
Looking down at topic review, damn this thread is moving fast.
Excellent summation. Despite what a lot of people claimed, I’m hardly a prude by anyone’s standards. It’s not necessary to be opposed to sex or bondage to find his habits annoying. The fact that his discussions of tying up naked women are also actively a turn-off to me is a minor second point. He was indeed tedious, and he reveled in doing something that was at best a tad anti-social. He wouldn’t stop, so he got suspended. Seems appropriate.
I wish his supporters would have the honesty to stop trying to tar the folks who were annoyed at his behavior with whatever random brush they can find, whether it’s true or not. For Evil Captor’s sake, I hope that old saw about judging a man by the company he keeps isn’t true, because his company is pretty dishonest.
Most of us know what it means. It doesn’t make Bippy the Beardless’s post anything but a complete non-sequitur. Is he trying to imply that Ed Zotti dropped the ban stick at the behest of a bunch of people on a messageboard with loose capitalization standards?
Your sense of humor is as nuanced as your sense of propriety, I see. 'Twas humor, what with the “yadda yadda”, and all, with only the slightest kernel of truth behind it. “Free Speech” as a constitutional principle does not apply to a private-owned messageboard, true enough - but “Free Speech” is a damn good idea for any forum.
Not so. You can hurt someone via a messageboard.
Reading is fundamental. Before the inevitable and tedious rebuttal - this is not meant to be an affirmative defense. I also happen to believe “Innocent Until Proven Guilty” is a good idea, even for a private messageboard. I don’t recall an official, public warning. I don’t see any specific linked posts in Tuba’s post. This is most unusual amongst the history of suspensions.