Evil Dead Mafia II - Teaser and Sign-Ups [Game On!]

[Astral_Rejection]

Fair enough. There’s a reason editing is typically forbidden by moderator fiat, though. In this game, town’s only method of winning is by considering the words and actions of others. I don’t like the idea, however limited, of people being able to ‘fix’ mistakes they’ve made. I want to hold scum accountable for slips they can (and will) make.

We’re getting ahead of ourselves, though. So far, nobody’s edited. It’s an entirely hypothetical situation. LOTR went 60 pages, and nobody edited anything in that game. I’m just letting everybody up front know that I’m going to be looking very, very closely at anyone who edits, and I’ll absolutely use it as part (never all by itself) of a reason to vote for someone.

[Astral_Rejection]

NETA: I posted at the same time Romanic did.

@Romanic:

I don’t understand, you were saying that NETA should be enforced and now you say that a townie can clarify his mistake in future posts?

These are the same things. Yes, I think people should use the standard NETA format (that is, clarifying their mistakes in one post with a subsequent post, rather than editing). Like this very post I’m composing.

If a townie can do it, a scum can do it too: If he slips, he can claim a spelling mistake.

You misunderstand. Watch:

Post 1: “You lied in post #1456, therefore I’m going to vote you.”
Post 2: “NETA: Oops, I got the post wrong. It was actually post #1465.”

That would be acceptable to me. That’s what I mean by clarifying mistakes. If they had edited post #1, I would have found it to be suspicious. What were they hiding? I’m speaking from personal experience; as scum in the last game, I made a mistake I would have LOVED to have edited out of existence. Because I couldn’t, town had another tool in their arsenal against me.

I do understand what you’re saying about getting responses via e-mail. However, wouldn’t that flood my inbox with thousands of posts? That sounds less than desirable!

and now you’re giving a way out to anybody if they argue?

I don’t really understand what you’re saying here.

If we go by this, the mafia will get an easy pass for many votes unless we’re all good townies and nobody ever edit their posts

Except it hasn’t happened yet. We went 60 pages, as I mentioned a post ago, without editing. And if I knee-jerk vote for someone based purely on their editing, there’s a quick and easy way to deal with me. Vote me for it!

90%, I like these odds!

I freely admit I pulled this number out of thin air. It had a nice ring to it, and seemed vaguely reasonable for a pre-game discussion about editing.

[Idle_Thoughts]

Vote for me if you like. As many people will tell you who know me and these games, I don’t usually care.

[Romanic]

@Astral:

I understand now how “NETA” is used (I thought NETA was a term to describe a no-edit policy but it isn’t, so nevermind the 1st part of my last post). I’m happy with your explanation in post #201 where you wrote that you will look closely at players editing their posts, as opposed to vote for them immediately.

Also, yeah, subscribing by email will fill your mailbox quickly but you can alleviate this with filters. I guess it’s a price to pay for extra information in a game where edited posts are permitted.

[ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies]

I’ll offer another unsolicited opinion, that for all of this discussion of editing, it is actually quite rare when looking at overall post volumes. Considering that each of those instances has its own unique context, I don’t really see the point of any sort of voting policy on the matter aside from considering things on an individual basis, which really isn’t a policy so much as what happens to everything in the game.

[GuiriEnEspana]

Confirming.

@Astral_Rejection

90%, I like these odds!

I freely admit I pulled this number out of thin air. It had a nice ring to it, and seemed vaguely reasonable for a pre-game discussion about editing.

Anecdote: two players edited in Harry Potter. The first got a warning and the second was mod-killed. Both were Town.

I don’t remember many other edits but I do recall editing my very first (or one of my first) posts in mafia - as Town.

[Hal_Briston]

That the edit window is only five minutes removes all reasonable objection from the argument for me. That said, I like the idea of having e-mail subscription, just in case. However, I don’t see how it’s done on a thread-specific basis.

Can someone point out how I can get e-mails from this thread and not all my subscribed threads?

[peekercpa]

@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies

Not Edited To Add

and ignorance has been fought.

i always thought it stood for now eat the asparagus. at least that’s how the peeks use it.

[Oy]

@storyteller0910

@USCDiver

Is Night Zero a full 48hr Night to put us on Mon-Fri/Sat-Sun Schedule or are we just waiting for the Scum to choose their buddy?

Little bit from Column A, little bit from Column B. We will not start until the Scum have chosen, but we also will not start until Monday or thereabouts… I have a show tomorrow (Sunday) and will be incommunicado for most of the day and early evening, so I’ll probably start the new Day on Monday morning (assuming all necessary events have occurred).

So will you send out role PMs today, tonight, or tomorrow? Also, what kind of show, just as a matter of interest?

My point being, I’m not sure if getting the role PMs is the start of game, or we get the role PMs before start of game (i.e. Dawn of Day 1).

[ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies]

As some PMs have already gone out, the game is already afoot I would think.

Someone who was paranoid and cynical, might think your question is trying a bit too hard to be obviously Townie there, Oy!.

[Oy]

Isn’t that funny? I was just thinking that I might have unintentionally made a town tell as I walked back to my computer.

I’m honestly not clear as to whether Scum got their full PMs or just a notification that they were Scum yesterday. Not that I expect anyone to tell me.

[NAF1138]

@Hal_Briston

Can someone point out how I can get e-mails from this thread and not all my subscribed threads?

Subscribe to the thread manually and then select the email option. Unsubscribe first if you have to.

I don’t like editing because it adds a level of uncertainty that we don’t need to deal with. The game is hard enough without having to deal with the possibilities of edits. That said, I think that most people who do edit will be town.

[storyteller0910]

@Oy

@storyteller0910

Little bit from Column A, little bit from Column B. We will not start until the Scum have chosen, but we also will not start until Monday or thereabouts… I have a show tomorrow (Sunday) and will be incommunicado for most of the day and early evening, so I’ll probably start the new Day on Monday morning (assuming all necessary events have occurred).

So will you send out role PMs today, tonight, or tomorrow? Also, what kind of show, just as a matter of interest?

My point being, I’m not sure if getting the role PMs is the start of game, or we get the role PMs before start of game (i.e. Dawn of Day 1).

To answer the second question, the arrival of “full” role PMs will mark the division between Night Zero and Day One. The game has already begun. I don’t know exactly when I’ll send out the full role PMs - it’s going to take some time, and I probably will be leaving in about a half hour and not back until after 9:00PM.

To answer the middle question, I am performing locally in a musical (community theatre). Both wife and daughter are in the show; we’re finishing up a nine-show run today.

[Oy]

Um, here’s a weird thing. In post #137:

[QUOTE=ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies]
I also don’t know what Natlaw is smoking. Story has quite clearly stated that only the (scum -1) have had their roles assigned yet. Any Masons (should there even be any) are still a twinkle in the eye of Fate.
[/QUOTE]

And in post #210:

[QUOTE=ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies]
As some PMs have already gone out, the game is already afoot I would think.

Someone who was paranoid and cynical, might think your question is trying a bit too hard to be obviously Townie there, Oy!.
[/QUOTE]

Except that’s not what Storyteller said in his post #110:

[QUOTE=storyteller0910]
In a few minutes, each of you will receive a PM. The vast majority will receive the following PM:

Quote:You are not yet Scum.

The players who are Scum will receive messages to that effect. They will then be given a chance to meet and to select one player from the pool of players who received “not yet Scum” messages to complete their team. Once they have chosen, the actual roles will be randomized and distributed, and Day One will begin. No other powers or abilities will be available during Night Zero.

Meanwhile, it is now Night Zero. The rules will be posted presently. Feel free to discuss this wrinkle, the rules, or anything else; there are no post restrictions of any kind in this game, and anything may be discussed by Day or by Night.
[/QUOTE]

Story didn’t say anything whatsoever about Scum getting their role PMs, just messages to the effect that they are Scum. In fact, based on what he said, it seems to me that Scum wouldn’t get their role PMs until everyone else does, once Scum have selected their final buddy.

So how is it that Cookes knows otherwise?

[Oy]

NETA: that’s cool, about the community theater, Storyteller. I like that.

[peekercpa]

@NAF1138

I don’t like editing because it adds a level of uncertainty that we don’t need to deal with. The game is hard enough without having to deal with the possibilities of edits. That said, I think that most people who do edit will be town.

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i agree. i don’t see the point of editing. i mean we all mis code or compose some strangely convoluted observations (some more than others).

and i am kind of ambivalent about your second observation. which game was it where the scum posted to the main thread outing two of them? i mean it was observed by a townie but was blanked out by the time the rest of the folks checked in. much mod consternation was involved.

but i will give you this the innocuous coding or sentence structural fixes are probably done more by town than scum just because they are more likely to firing off the cuff as opposed to scum spending a bunch of time making sure that everything is just right before firing the sucker off.

[MHaye]

@peekercpa

and i am kind of ambivalent about your second observation. which game was it where the scum posted to the main thread outing two of them? i mean it was observed by a townie but was blanked out by the time the rest of the folks checked in. much mod consternation was involved.

There were two. Santo Rugger slipped in the Cult of Sekham, outing himself and (I think) zuma as Sekhamites. (NAF was another.) Then DarkCookies outed herself as Alliance in Firefly.

There are reasons to want to edit, and it’s up to each person to decide, on each separate occasion, whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer the jeers and japes of onlookers for coding errors, or edit and by editing end them.

I refuse to commit, now, to not editing a post in this game. I might need to.

[Omi_no_Kami]

Personally I can see the rationale behind the no-edit rules, and while I would have to wait and see how I felt in context, my assumption is that I’ll tend to view any edits as more suspicious than not until I hear the poster’s opinion.

Given that, even while I don’t condone it I understand it. I’m in the habit of glancing at a post to review it right after I’ve made it, and I can understand how some people will reflexively hit ‘edit’, fix capitalization, a typo, or other formatting problems, and then re-post it.

But if someone makes an edit here I’m still going to question the hell out of their ass. ^^

[peekercpa]

it’s why b&r makes 31 flavors, i guess. i don’t think editing is a tell either way, unless there is something real inflammatory in the edited post.

but i do think it to be in poor form.

seriously, just because i snap yank a drive into the toolies doesn’t mean i should have lattitude to bring it back and do over. just chase it down and go on from there.

[special_ed]

@Romanic

@MHaye

After the edit window has closed, only forum moderators can see the edit history.

I bet most of you know this, but if someone is paranoid about post editing, they can receive a copy of original posts, by email, when subscribing to the thread. This way, no matter how a post is edited, you will always have the original to refer to.

Doesn’t that only send you the first post that you haven’t seen? I don’t get an email for every single post, just 1 email with the first post since the last time I entered the thread.

I guess what I mean is: I was in Chicago for my dad’s 80th birthday all day yesterday, and when I logged in this morning, I only had 1 email telling me that there were posts to this thread despite how much ya’ll have said.