I don’t know that it helps too much about Total Lost. We’re down four deadites. How many more can there be, especially if third parties probably don’t count, and expecting a “godfather” sort?
There are almost certainly more non-Deadite non-town in the game at this point than Deadite non-town.
First off, in light of what Normal Phase said, unvote Mahaloth.
Not sure who to vote for at this point until I have time for a re-read, and this week is TERRIBLE for me at work, so I may not have time to do that at all. Just warning you guys that my participation will likely be way down.
I expect there to be one more deadite, assuming we started with six Scum and one is human. Plus two SKs or other malicious Third Parties.
As I said, lilflower, this game has had a couple of characters that were direct descendants of Evil Dead 1 characters: same alignment and roughly same abilities. I think your character is a direct descendant of the Scum Godfather in Evil Dead 1, the Famous Actor. You are, after all, the Standby. Whose shoes could a standby better fill than those of the Famous Actor? It’s every standby’s dream: to fill in for the lead.
And while I’ve got a second–I think NAF mentioned last Night that investigators and Masons should consider claiming Today. I actually agree with that. We likely still have protective powers out there who can play a WIFOM game with any remaining Scum, and the results of any investigations are important, especially if they confirm Town or reveal third parties. We’ve got lots of time to find the remaining Scum (undoubtedly two or fewer at this point) and third parties, and every confirmed Townie counts. Hell, at this point, we may be close to mass claim territory.
What do the rest of you think?
It’s fine by me, but I don’t think my opinion is terribly relevant here.
I am not against a mass claim, but I do wonder what we hope to gain from it. Do we think we can tell Story’s provided fake PMs from Story’s actual PMs? We might cut down the size of pool for the scum to hide in, but aren’t we just painted targets on any unclaimed roles? It seems possible that we might have a protector role still out there, but how much longer would he survive if we forced him to claim?
The thing is, TexCat, I personally haven’t seen a case in which third parties were provided with fake claims. So it might help expose them.
On the other hand, SKs may have been winning this game for us. Lord knows, our lynch record isn’t all that great. So maybe we’re better off letting them hide a while longer, until the Scum are gone. I’ve also never seen a game where the Scum were all gone but SKs remained alive. Does anyone have any experience with that?
(Jumping to the end of the thread, so I can’t even say if I’m dead or alive at the moment – so bear with me if any of this is no longer relevant).
Abject apologies, all – it’s been an ugly past several days on the home front. I’m heading back to page 40-something to try and pick up where I left off, and maybe…you know…actually contribute.
You mean except for our two scum lynches in four tries? That lynch record?
Telcontar doesn’t really count, but one out of three isn’t bad at all.
Mass claim: I’m not dead set against it, but I think I’d prefer to decide Today to claim Tomorrow, unless some masons or investigators come forward soon. We’re really not in any kind of rush.
Lilflower: Aside from your suspicion that her claim is fake, what is the case on lilflower, Oy?
I’m not sure I agree with waiting until Tomorrow. Besides the fact that the scum have that much more time to get their stories straight, I think town could benefit from coordinated Night actions.
I think I should expand on this – that was a horribly scummy post, Oy. “We’ve been doing so bad with our lynches” is just not a rationally townie mindset to have given the actual record. But it does make sense as something that might slip out from someone who is NOT happy with how the game is going. And all the “we” and “our” – totally, TOTALLY subjective on this one, but it punched all my “yes, I’m really one of you, REALLY!” buttons. Add it to the fishing from yesterday (not the fishing in itself, but its nature, which seemed too focused on trying to figure out which townie role I was (as distinct from whether I was a townie), and … ouch.
I don’t want to vote for you – you can still be accountable to your claimed role, and it seems likely you actually do have that role, even if you were since recruited or your win condition is some bizarre PFK thing or something. It’s more than is available for most other players right now. And god knows, I’m not always right. I wasn’t even sure whether I should comment like this, under the circumstances. But again, ouch. Hard to ignore.
Well, if you think I’m not Town, there’s not much more that I can say. I’ve had my role out there from Day 1. I doubt I’ve contributed much since. I made a case on lilflower in post 2330, Tom. It’s weak, but it’s the best I’ve got at this point.
OK, maybe our lynch record isn’t that bad, but I’m personally very aware that we owe our very favorable position wrt Scum right now to two Night Kills, and that if we attribute the Night Kills to a Vigilante, that doesn’t leave much room for SKs, which I feel fairly certain we have. We also know now that Special Ed was a Strongman, which probably means he had at least one extra kill in there at some point.
But my point here is that thus far, it seems as if Serial Killer(s) have been our friends. We all figured that Astral was killed by one, and it’s quite possible Ed was as well. I don’t see a claim at this point doing much to help Town, but I see it as having real potential to out SKs. In the long run, I want to do that, but at this point, maybe it’s better to focus on Scum.
Or not. It’s not like I’m an expert here. And I don’t have a dog in this fight, as my claim has been out there forever. Claim or don’t claim; I doubt story didn’t provide covers for Scum, so I’m not convinced it will help us much.
Well, just put it this way – before that post you’d have been close the bottom of my possibly-not-town list; now, you’ve moved up again, because that post just got under my skin like nobody’s business. With recruitment on the table, I felt like I should get it out there. I don’t remotely think you should be lynched (or vig killed for that matter) at this point. But I don’t know how much longer I’m going to be around to comment on this stuff.
Actually, Normal, I can’t see that I put any more “we” and "our"s than in any other post. If something’s pinging you there, I sure can’t see it. In post #2507, I have one “we” and one “our.” In #2503, I have one “we.” In #2499, I have two "we"s. It doesn’t seem to me as if I was hammering on it.
But if you think you saw something, well, again, there’s not much more that I can say. The best I can tell you is that I really am as stupid as I seem, which isn’t much of an argument in my favor.
It’s OK.
With so many scum dead and the book still missing, I’m starting to lean a bit more toward the theory that the thief being a third party/pfk.
Splitting the claims into Masons/Investigators today and others later might work, but if we do that I think any protective roles who are not yet exposed and vanillas should not be part of the claim just yet. The protectors would still have cover in the unknown pool with the vanillas, and can make their choices is as much saftey and obscurity as can be provided.
However, with 2 dead Night 1, 4 dead on Night 2, and 2 dead Night 3, and a lot of scum already dead, I think it is naive to think that whoever the extra killers might be are going to have benevolent results going forward, even if they care about being benevolent, because the scum are already so thin. Whether we do a mass claim or a partial claim we can only lynch one at a time. There has been no indication of a Day killer yet, but it is another thing to consider in the mix of claims. If we do have a Day killer, I hope they are paying close attention.
In my mind there seem to be relatively equal risk/benefit of Naf’s partial claim suggestion done carefully, or a full mass claim. I think one of the two should happen today, but I don’t have a strong preference as to which.
Oy! - I think you’re way too willing to base strategy on past set ups. You seem to be eliminating possibilities that I am not willing to eliminate and embracing others more closely than I’m willing to embrace them. To each their own and all, but it is starting to seem like a pattern to me. A pattern that at best could be what I’d consider misguided Town, and a pattern that at worst could be manipulating in nature if you are cherry picking things from the past in a self-serving/non-town-faction-serving manner. I’ll just echo my earlier sentiments that even if you have doubts or hunches that things are certain ways, it is still better for the town to consider a wide range of possibilities when performing analysis.
I think I’m against mass claim (or even just investigators/masons) still. Better, perhaps, to just let it happen naturally. People should come forward if they have something useful to say, or if they are suspects for reasons of behavior. I think town’s biggest asset right at the moment could well be our still-hidden protective roles – if anyone is advocating for claims, they should explain what the benefit is. I don’t think that “I’m stumped and looking for something to hang a vote on” is sufficient.
Well, at least you both had my name with caps :smack:
I’m not really sure if I like the idea of a mass claim right now.
For one we seem to have someone killing scum at Night and I’d like them to have peace to work.
Second we seem to have roles that will change and develop. First we had Drain Bead going from vanilla to spell caster and now lilflower being able to adapt the powers of the dead (disclaimer: if we believe their claims). So we might end up more confused than closer to End Game by a mass claim IMO.
Not that I’m dead set against it. But it will take some convincing to get me there right now.
I’m still very unsure what the book does and what would happen if the thief/holder of it dies while holding it.
I can watch horror so I’ve never seen the movies - but I asked a friend and it seems like this book can do stuff on it’s own. So who to say that it doesn’t have a mind of it’s own and chose the next holder or something weird like that?
Or - perhaps - that the dead scum held on to it for far to long and that’s what killed them?